Gun Toting White Conservatives Hate Blacks

[LotsOfZeros]

So you're both really Libertarians - Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative.
I can respect that.

I'm for personal freedom and liberty. I hate it when political retards try to tell us what to do under the guise of protecting me from myself.

 

[LotsOfZeros]

...And one would ask the same question right back at ya.

I'm assuming you're asking me why I would openly admit I'm conservative?
Fiscally, yes but don't start telling me I can't go out and get drunk tonight because I'll 'burn in hell' for it. I don't view real conservatives as most of you do. I for one believe there are stark differences between Republicans and Conservatives.

I may have registered as a Republican and voted as such in the past but I'm most definitely a Conservative.

I feel the best way to run this country is for a very limited government presence. Government is really only efficient in national defense of the public - everything else, for the most part, are better served by private industry.

 

[Moxie]

Honestly not intending to sound inflammatory here, I'm just very curious why anyone would openly admit or label themselves as a liberal. If you apply your views to the quote below, it actually might make you think twice before proclaiming "I'm a Lib":

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
~ Norman Thomas

Once again, not to stoke the flames of debate, I'm truly just very curious.

Most people probably just want to stick to the dictionary definitions. There's quotes equating conservatism with fascism, also.

"The more there are riots, the more repressive action will take place, and the more we face the danger of a right-wing takeover and eventually a fascist society." - Martin Luther King, Jr

"The biggest threat to America today is not communism. It`s the turning of this country into a fascist theocracy and everything that`s happened during the Reagan administration has put us right down that pipe." - Frank Zappa

 

[LogicFlux]

I guess workers in right to work states are just used to working in an environment where they know who the boss is and lazy fucks, whiners and general Dbags can be fired where they stand.

Wow, I didn't know the south actually produced anything but xenophobic hatred, future Nashville Star tv show contestants and christian babies born out of wedlock.

And a few summers in one factory certainly makes you an authority on the subject. A few summers at one factory is plenty enough experience to be able to throw your support behind a fox news douche's anti-union rantings.

 

[LotsOfZeros]

Now you're starting to sound like a hypocrite.

I agreed with you here:

Now this is elitist. The ignorant people on the right are not ignorant because they didn't attend the right college or because they've never had the enlightening experience of visiting a european capital.

And you deflated your position here:

Wow, I didn't know the south actually produced anything but xenophobic hatred, future Nashville Star tv show contestants and christian babies born out of wedlock.

And a few summers in one factory certainly makes you an authority on the subject. A few summers at one factory is plenty enough experience to be able to throw your support behind a fox news douche's anti-union rantings.

Don't allow the emotions stirring within you regarding your factory worker family to dissuade your ideals.

 

[LogicFlux]

Now you're starting to sound like a hypocrite.

I'm not a hypocrite I just felt like being an asshole and popeye makes it easy. Besides thinking most american tards are concentrated in the south is not elitiest. Most of them are willfully ignorant. You don't need an ivy league education and a five dollar latte in your hand to think for yourself.

Now of course libs like riddar are also not too capable of indepedent thought. And they are the ones generally who are responsible for trying to constrain the speech and thought of the rest of us(you can't even use the word nigger in satire anymore). Carlin did a great bit on this. But at least the lib group-think isn't stagnate and stuck in the 1800s.

 

[Grindstone]

I feel the best way to run this country is for a very limited government presence. Government is really only efficient in national defense of the public - everything else, for the most part, are better served by private industry.

THIS

Although I'm conflicted on the highway issue. Gubbmint needs them, private industry needs them, tourons getting rebilled need them, citizens driving to work need them, who and how should we pay for them is the only issue I have with my "smaller govmnt is better" position.

 

[popeye]

Wow, I didn't know the south actually produced anything but xenophobic hatred, future Nashville Star tv show contestants and christian babies born out of wedlock.

And a few summers in one factory certainly makes you an authority on the subject. A few summers at one factory is plenty enough experience to be able to throw your support behind a fox news douche's anti-union rantings.

I don't believe in unions because the facts show that they just don't work. Why would anyone stand for something that every stat and fact states that it doesn't work.

When you say "south" are you talking "true" south or are you just speaking of all states between both coast. I do find that many liberal elitist really are ignorant of what the "south" really is.

 

[therookie]

Wow, I didn't know the south actually produced anything but xenophobic hatred, future Nashville Star tv show contestants and christian babies born out of wedlock.

And a few summers in one factory certainly makes you an authority on the subject. A few summers at one factory is plenty enough experience to be able to throw your support behind a fox news douche's anti-union rantings.

I think being pro-union or against them has a lot to do with your situation and upbringing. Of course someone who comes from a family of factory workers is more then likely going to be pro-union especially if their plant was union and they saw higher pay, better health benefits, more vacation days, etc.

My pops works for a company who has a factory. He is the "bad guy" in the company because he has to negotiate every single year new terms to the contracts. He is, of course, against a union. After having talks with him about it I am swayed to come to the same conclusion he has. I have also worked in a couple factories. Even though one was just summer job during college in a feed mill I worked for 3 years in another one. I think this is enough to "know how things are in a factory". The company I worked for for 3 years wasn't the most employee friendly place and had a lot of turnover like any factory. The pay was pretty good compared to other jobs in town, but I would have never once considered voting for a union given the chance. For one, I didn't plan on being there the rest of my life so I didn't care much and I was happy with the pay I was getting.

Back to my dad...

The town he lives in is a little over 20,000 people. Jobs in towns like that usually start at about 7-8 dollars an hour if you are lucky. A good paying job would be around 10 dollars. Guess what the lowest paying factory worker makes there? They make around 17 dollars an hour with really awesome health benefits and a ton of vacation/paid time off. Now, I am not against people making good money. But, when any other job would pay about half that I think it is complete bullshit. It ends up hurting the company in the long run. They are struggling now just like many companies are. I can tell you that one of those reasons they are struggling is how much they payout to the union factory workers. So, who gets cut when they need to do layoffs? All the executive assistants got axed, including my dad's, who had been there like 40+ years. The management is easier to layoff then a union factory worker.

I am all for people getting what they are worth, but unions make it way to easy for workers to get more then they deserve and make it hard as hell to get rid of the slackers.

 

[LotsOfZeros]

I am all for people getting what they are worth, but unions make it way to easy for workers to get more then they deserve and make it hard as hell to get rid of the slackers.

QFT - there's seriously something wrong with the equation when the very entity negotiating for 'workers rights' (UAW) end up owning the company (General Motors) they negotiated with. Talk about a lopsided deal.

And for the record: my father-in-law is a lifelong retired UAW former GM employee, and I STILL have this view! (yeah, we duke it out sometimes).

 

[LogicFlux]

I am all for people getting what they are worth, but unions make it way to easy for workers to get more then they deserve and make it hard as hell to get rid of the slackers.

First of all, I'm against any coercive tactics of making people join a union. I know union people can be bullies and you shouldn't be forced or intimidated to join. But barring those coercive or intimidating tactics, what is the alternative? Should there be a law against unionizing? Barring the coercive tactics I mentioned and barring laws too heavily favoring either businesses or unions, are unions not a natural market reaction/solution?

 

[LogicFlux]

I don't believe in unions because the facts show that they just don't work. Why would anyone stand for something that every stat and fact states that it doesn't work.

When you say "south" are you talking "true" south or are you just speaking of all states between both coast. I do find that many liberal elitist really are ignorant of what the "south" really is.

THe south is wherever people are who feel the need to point out entertainers' true JEW names, like Leibowitz. And not everyone who thinks you're a tard is a liberal elitist. I think the biggest tards in the world are in the middle east and are muslim. They're even bigger tards than you southern hannity cock biting christian ones. I bet you won't call me an elitist for saying the taliban are backwards, religious tards, will you? Because of course liberal elitist is defined by whether or not someone agrees with you, hannity and rush. You're a fucking tool.

 

[Dispel]

And unions are bad why?

France.

The End.

 

[thediesel1]

Interesting -- Reagan passed the Mulford Act in California.

 

[LogicFlux]

Interesting -- Reagan passed the Mulford Act in California.

Because darkies were carrying them near white people.

 

[LotsOfZeros]

Because of course liberal elitist is defined by whether or not someone agrees with you, hannity and rush. You're a fucking tool.

For the record I love Hannity and Rush, especially Mark Levin - but the second they try to tell me how to live my life is the moment I show them my lovely middle-finger.

Personal liberty FTW, but what comes with that is personal responsibility which is something VERY foreign to the far left - they love to blame others or their personal shortcomings and screw-ups (cash for clunkers and other idiotic musings that could keep me going for hours).

 

[LogicFlux]

For the record I love Hannity and Rush, especially Mark Levin - but the second they try to tell me how to live my life is the moment I show them my lovely middle-finger.

I used to like Dennis Prager, although I haven't listened to him for a long time. What I don't like are demagogues who toe the party/philosophical line on every single issue and have a pre-designated word/smear for you if you disagree with any single issue. It applies to both sides. It seems most people like being herded along politically.

Personal liberty FTW, but what comes with that is personal responsibility which is something VERY foreign to the far left - they love to blame others or their personal shortcomings and screw-ups (cash for clunkers and other idiotic musings that could keep me going for hours).

Maybe the reason I voted for Obama more than any other reason is because he's the only major presidential candidate that I've heard basically tell the black community to quit blaming whitie.

 

[thediesel1]

Because darkies were carrying them near white people.

heh.

AZ gun toters tied to Viper Militia -- Volatile Mix in Viper Militia: Hatred Plus a Love for Guns - The New York Times

 

[LotsOfZeros]

Maybe the reason I voted for Obama more than any other reason is because he's the only major presidential candidate that I've heard basically tell the black community to quit blaming whitie.

Personally, I can't believe you admitted to voting for Obama however, in the interests of respecting your decision, I have to respectfully disagree with you here:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo]YouTube - GOD DAMN AMERICA Rev Jeremiah Wright, Farrakhan & Obama[/ame]

 

[LogicFlux]

Personally, I can't believe you admitted to voting for Obama however,

Why? He took a hardline against afghanistan, he talked about blacks taking responsibility, he talked about a more balanced, humble foreign policy(we still have to kick ass sometimes but we don't have to have an arrogant demeanor while doing it), and restoring the status of science in this country.

I could have just as easily voted for mccain if he didn't decide that he had to pander to the tards of his party and instead chosen someone like Lieberman or Romney.

YouTube - GOD DAMN AMERICA Rev Jeremiah Wright, Farrakhan & Obama

Yeah, wright is a racist douche. It would be a bigger issue to me if I thought Obama's attendence there was anymore than political calculation. Bill O agrees with me on that one.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1hCDjwG6M"]YouTube - Barack Obama's Speech on Father's Day[/ame]