HIRE ME!!

I'm afraid you misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I don't think there's an opportunity at all. Those were 5 comments, of which maybe none will go through review. And then you have to add the insecurity of whether I commit more time to this, the employer cannot give me work, because he's testing it.

No job is bellow me. For example, I sorted images into categories, which I think is exactly a robot job, opposed to commenting under articles. It was the bad working conditions with no upside that got me to refuse the offer.

I have an offer for set-in stone $x/h and on the other hand I get this. Well...

A single hour and 5 comments isn't enough to know if you had a good opportunity or not. As an example, if I were to be hiring someone for a similar role, I can guarantee that within the first few tasks I assigned, I'd be including one that was way below your skill level, meant to see how you handle monotony and whether you'll react pretty much how you did, as well as a task way over your head, to see how you handle frustration, solve problems, and whether you give up, panic, get angry etc. I hope any future posters thinking of making a thread like this one read this.
 


Rule 1 of contract : If you take it, you fucking do it no matter how.

If you take it and realize you can't do it, then atleast let employer know about whole issue with all relevant details at the same time you quit (without taking any payment or refunding already taken payment with note of apology. )
 
Rule 1 of contract : If you take it, you fucking do it no matter how.

If you take it and realize you can't do it, then atleast let employer know about whole issue with all relevant details at the same time you quit (without taking any payment or refunding already taken payment with note of apology. )

I agree with you. But our arrangement was to test to see if it works. He tests me, I test the job. In the end, I decided that it will not work. No money exchanged hands.

So, I didn't blow up a contract.
 
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To be honest that sounds like a pretty reasonable trial task. You made $5/hr, but in your first hour. Efficiency gains would at least double that shortly, and after a brief time any decent employer would see the issues and modify the payment setup accordingly.

For the type of roles you're looking for, employers are looking for someone with ambition, problem solving skills, and won't give up at the first sign of trouble, as people looking for a short term throwaway VA will just hire one for cheap.

While that job may not have been great by any means, you giving up and complaining about it after a single hour reflects very poorly upon you in my opinion.

What you should have done was kept plugging away on that shitty task, along with others, given them all at least a few days to progress and at least allow the employers to review and make their own modifications, before picking 1 or 2 to work for long term.

Your post shows you lack patience, feel some work is 'below' you, and like to air your grievances publicly. Not what I look for in an employee, doubt it a what others are either.

Couldn't agree with this post more.
 
As an example, if I were to be hiring someone for a similar role, I can guarantee that within the first few tasks I assigned, I'd be including one that was way below your skill level, meant to see how you handle monotony and whether you'll react pretty much how you did, as well as a task way over your head, to see how you handle frustration, solve problems, and whether you give up, panic, get angry etc. I hope any future posters thinking of making a thread like this one read this.
How many employees do you have?
 
A single hour and 5 comments isn't enough to know if you had a good opportunity or not. As an example, if I were to be hiring someone for a similar role, I can guarantee that within the first few tasks I assigned, I'd be including one that was way below your skill level, meant to see how you handle monotony and whether you'll react pretty much how you did, as well as a task way over your head, to see how you handle frustration, solve problems, and whether you give up, panic, get angry etc. I hope any future posters thinking of making a thread like this one read this.

See, this was entirely different than what you are talking about.

In our communication it was clear that he was looking me to do only blog commenting. Actually to test his new blog commenting platform.

Only from this simple sentence I was hesitant to take the job, because this tells me:

1) There is no opportunity there for me, other than blog commenting.
2) If I can do the job, there might not be work to be done at all. So if I alocate time to work for him, that time might not be filled with work, and I can miss another opportunity to work.

Even with these concerns, I gave it a shot, because it's an opportunity, which can lead anywhere eventually, who knows.

This brings us to the 2nd problem. His platform is in alpha to say the least.

Third problem was that the articles where I had to post were out of my reach. I had trouble understanding some of them. Several people complimented my Enlgish, so there's that...

This is a huge problem, because I get paid on approved comment. You say I made $5/h, but I didn't. There's a big chance that none of my comments gets approved and I don't make anything. This is out of my control, which makes the whole thing unstable on a whole new level.

You say you would test people with tasks that will require different mindset, just to see how the employee reacts. I really understand that. However there was no talk about other possibilities with him. He didn't say anything about other work. It was all "just test this thing and if it works out, I will see if I can get clients and we will see there what work there will be."

Should he tell me that it's just a gateway? I can see logic in either way. In the end it's his choice, but I have to make my decisions from the facts, as I see them.

In the end... you people are blaming me, because I wanted to take jobs that gave me more security, instead of opting in for a chance to do something in the future, which I consider extremely unfair.
 
TBH the job I gave him was crap
That's how all great relationships start.

Hey, here is a shitty job with shitty pay and no promise of future work. Oh, and you better be grateful or I am going to make sure no one else hires you by saying you're a bad person for not doing it.

Healthy relationships have mutual respect. This dude, whatever his deal is, needs serious money quickly, and people without the potential to give him the sort of job he is looking for, are trolling him with shit work and then calling him out when it doesn't work.

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To be honest that sounds like a pretty reasonable trial task. You made $5/hr, but in your first hour.
He didn't make $5 an hour. He would only make $5 an hour if every comment went through.

If none go through, he's doing this guy's testing for free.

He decided that's a bad deal for him. If you disagree, I got some testing you can do for free. PM me.
 
In the end... you people are blaming me, because I wanted to take jobs that gave me more security, instead of opting in for a chance to do something in the future, which I consider extremely unfair.
1. Your posts are not helping your cause. No one wants to hire someone who is argumentative.

2. Life is unfair. Deal with it.

Go try odesk or something, I cannot imagine a scenario where you get a job through WF now. Not entirely your fault, although you didn't help the situation.
 
Well I can see this guy's point, $1 per approved comment? I remember doing manual commenting a couple years ago on professional blogs and most of the times even if my comment was 100% relevant the fuckers wouldn't approve it if they could detect it was a part of a promotion (either by keywords in the name, by the site URL or by an ahref in the comment itself).

BUT like guerilla said, your argumentative nature got the best of you. GL and maybe try to be more specific in what kind of tasks you can do.

Eg, a lot of SEOs need human written articles. If you concentrated just on that in your post I bet you'd have orders for 100+ articles by now. But because you weren't specific enough what kind of jobs you're prepared to do people gave you shit.

Personally I need a person who's REALLY good in 1 thing, not mediocre in a hundred random ones.
 
Go try odesk or something, I cannot imagine a scenario where you get a job through WF now. Not entirely your fault, although you didn't help the situation.

In his situation ODesk probably won't help much. Unless you've got very strong and specific technical skills, you start at the bottom there. He's going to be having to bid at most $5/hr on his first job as the applications for any jobs he's qualified for will be flooded by guys from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Phillipines, who are not only willing to work for pennies, but also have thousands of hours experience on the site with positive reviews. He could make it work, yes, but he'd have to work for pennies on his first few jobs to prove himself. Don't believe me? Go on ODesk, look at all the $20-50/hr contractors with 1000+ hours, with a few exceptions for ones with an ultra specific skill or if their passport says US/CA/UK/Aus, they almost all started at extremely low wages their first few jobs then moved up.

I'm not claiming the trial task in question here was kind of shitty, and personally I'd have at least based mine off a system that was stable and guaranteed a minimum wage, but my points absolutely are still valid.

You asked how many employees I have, quite a few remote ones, and when you lack the benefit of a face to face interview you absolutely should throw a few tests at your employees early on. Helps you weed out people who are going to cause problems early before you've wasted time and money on them.

Nothing I was saying was meant to be anything but helpful to the OP here. Before I ran my own business, I did a lot of lower-mid level management and dealt with a lot of interns and entry level business employees. So many of them make the same mistakes, and it looked like Kayle was doing the exact same thing. If anything, I'm trying to give him so advice so this ends up being one bad experience for the guy rather than a repeating pattern.
 
That's how all great relationships start.

Healthy relationships have mutual respect. This dude, whatever his deal is, needs serious money quickly, and people without the potential to give him the sort of job he is looking for, are trolling him with shit work and then calling him out when it doesn't work.


He didn't make $5 an hour. He would only make $5 an hour if every comment went through.

If none go through, he's doing this guy's testing for free.

He decided that's a bad deal for him. If you disagree, I got some testing you can do for free. PM me.

With all due respect guerilla, you don't know what the situation is if you are listening to the OP. I have no reason to continuing talking to the OP because he has not addressed my reply to him.

Yes, this was a test of the system I am using (which works fine outside of a temp bug with logging in btw and if the author cares to speak about it that is fine with me) and a test of the OP. I say it was a crap job but it was what I had to offer and the OP was desperate, so why not see if it is a fit? He agreed to it, which he didn't have to. He tried it, misrepresented his work and quit. If he would have come back to me and said that it wasn't working out for him I might have been able to work something out with him.

As an employer and I employ 5 people with a few extra volunteers, if one of my people takes a job on, they have 2 options.

1) Deliver
2) Let me know why they can't so I can work it out (Do they need help? More time? More training? A kick in the ass? Are they capable of it? Can someone else do it? Do I have to do it?)

If someone just says they quit and walks away I am not going to chase them. I also never said I had no other opportunities, he just assumed that and gave up on me.

Point of fact I did the same thing with a local guy. He let me know how it went, I verified what he did, we worked something out that suits us both. We are both better off now.
 
With all due respect guerilla, you don't know what the situation is if you are listening to the OP.
Did you offer to only pay for comments that get approved?

Were you paying him $1 per comment?

That's all I really needed to know friend.

Considering you didn't pay him any money, can you really say this guy actually worked for you? Sounds to me like you got him to do an audition, and after giving it a crack, he said screw it, and nicely withdrew. He didn't quit because you never actually gave him a job.
 
Did you offer to only pay for comments that get approved?

Were you paying him $1 per comment?

That's all I really needed to know friend.

Considering you didn't pay him any money, can you really say this guy actually worked for you? Sounds to me like you got him to do an audition, and after giving it a crack, he said fuck it, and nicely withdrew.

Come visit my office and see how I run my show. Really. PM me for my address.
 
With all due respect guerilla, you don't know what the situation is if you are listening to the OP. I have no reason to continuing talking to the OP because he has not addressed my reply to him.

Yes, this was a test of the system I am using (which works fine outside of a temp bug with logging in btw and if the author cares to speak about it that is fine with me) and a test of the OP. I say it was a crap job but it was what I had to offer and the OP was desperate, so why not see if it is a fit? He agreed to it, which he didn't have to. He tried it, misrepresented his work and quit. If he would have come back to me and said that it wasn't working out for him I might have been able to work something out with him.

As an employer and I employ 5 people with a few extra volunteers, if one of my people takes a job on, they have 2 options.

1) Deliver
2) Let me know why they can't so I can work it out (Do they need help? More time? More training? A kick in the ass? Are they capable of it? Can someone else do it? Do I have to do it?)

If someone just says they quit and walks away I am not going to chase them. I also never said I had no other opportunities, he just assumed that and gave up on me.

Point of fact I did the same thing with a local guy. He let me know how it went, I verified what he did, we worked something out that suits us both. We are both better off now.

This is because, I can't. You have a log. I can't argue with that, even though my experience was different, because I can't support it with evidence. This is turning into he-said, she-said. I worked a cool hour and saw 0 opportunity in what you are offering and decided to turn it down. You come in here and start attacking, knowing I don't have an out. I lose in all situations, because as duly noted people don't like argumentative people for employees. Explaning my point of view will always seem like arguing.

I didn't quit. I didn't take your job in the first place. I took a test to see if I should take it, which is waaaaaay different than what you said when you decided to chime in and made your post.

Things look differently when said in different ways. Being on a marketing forum and all, I hope I don't have to explain you that.

I believe I have said everything I needed to say (and more) about this situation. Good luck in life.
 
Come visit my office and see how I run my show. Really. PM me for my address.

And as someone pointed out to me at his performance level he could have made a max of $14/h.
You do understand that piece work is not "a job"? That you never actually paid this guy anything and he still did stuff (whether it panned out or not) anyway?

That he actually wrote you a fairly decent note withdrawing, after not making a nickel "working" for you?

I mean, is this guy supposed to keep posting comments for you for free until he gets lucky and something gets approved? And if he doesn't, will you come on WF and talk about how incompetent he is anyway, so you can deep six any of his other opportunities?

You're the one who said you gave him a job that was "crap", right?
 
You do understand that piece work is not "a job"? That you never actually paid this guy anything and he still did stuff (whether it panned out or not) anyway?

That he actually wrote you a fairly decent note withdrawing, after not making a nickel "working" for you?

I mean, is this guy supposed to keep posting comments for you for free until he gets lucky and something gets approved? And if he doesn't, will you come on WF and talk about how incompetent he is anyway, so you can deep six any of his other opportunities?

You're the one who said you gave him a job that was "crap", right?

I've got to side with Guerilla on this one. Just because someone is desperate doesn't give a person the right to offer them a crap job and them "out" them if they decide they don't want to continue it. And without any payment EVER made, then it isn't even a job or at least a loss.

Having 5 employees and asking people to come check out how you run things? Ha, now you sound as defensive and guilty as you are accusing the OP of being.

For my part I offered the OP a job that would pay him about $100 but then found out that I had another quicker, free solution. He was polite about it all and corresponded quickly on both skype and email. Although, I agree that he would have come across better by taking the higher ground with those that are trying to "teach" him life lessons on here.
 
Isn't the real lesson here that most of WF consists of peasants who aren't in a position to employ qualified individuals anyways?

If the best offers this guy received are from crap people looking to exploit desperation, I'd say that says more about the potential employer pool here than anything else.
 
Have the need to get some stuff done and emailed OP when this thread got started. Goal was to see what he charges for an hour of his time, what kind of experience he has and to see if I could match it with some of the things I needed done.

Got a nice reply back from OP outlining his impressive experience but no clue about his hourly rate. So I emailed back asking again for his specific hourly rate.

Got the response of:
If mindless job - one rate (He still didn't quote rate)
If non-mindless job with responsibility - another rate (No rate attached)

All depended on the 'exact job' I had for him.

At that point it got to complicated for me and I didn't feel like playing a game of thousand questions. To try to determine and haggle about what exactly his 'Menu' of rates would be for what exact skill.

You value your time at x - either I'm going to pay it or not. Shouldn't really matter what exactly I want you doing if you need the money that bad.

I could have used him...