How Can We Save WF

Honestly, I think a shift from 99% affiliate marketing thinking over to more tangible business creation and entrepreneurship could really bring the forum back to life.

It might bring it back to life, but only in the sense of swarms of unbearably deluded collge kids jerking off in fantasy posts about being Real Businessmen.

Why not focus this forum on the tangible skills that working in direct response marketing (ie. aff marketing for the most part) can afford you? This forum seems to mostly be about SEO and teenagers feeling gangster for buying a cloaker, rather than selling impulse products to mindless consumers thorugh understanding copywriting, design, psychology, etc.

I don't see why it has to be like that. There's billions to be made in direct response all over the wold, and the fact you can start it online (and scale to the moon) for a few thousand instead of having to pay for TV/magazine space is very exciting and nowhere near its peak. The immediate data you get online has also brought new life into direct response and it is exciting.

I mean, most people who cry about "the easy/fast money is gone" in regards to IM were never marketers, they were skilless opportunists who may as well have been gambling and their luck ran out. There's still plently of easy/fast money to be made here if you step up and actually do the dirty work to start with (ie. learn how to manipulate impulses and understand why).

If there were meaningful discussions on this stuff -- not sharing methods and loopholes like little kids, but talking about the actual skills and concerns behind direct marketing -- this forum would come alive. Like IM forum 2.0, after all the lawsuits and prison terms have proven that this is a real thing that will last, not just something to churn and burn through for petty cash.
 


+1 for start ups and building real assets, I turned off my last and longest running affiliate campaign last month - it's been a good run but time to move on. I for one would become more active here if the focus changed from the old quick buck mentality, to the building real businesses either online or offline using online methods.
 
+1 for start ups and building real assets, I turned off my last and longest running affiliate campaign last month - it's been a good run but time to move on. I for one would become more active here if the focus changed from the old quick buck mentality, to the building real businesses either online or offline using online methods.

That's what I come here for already (I've seen quite a few threads fortunately that already did point me in the direction of building real businesses/assets for the long term).

Honestly the affiliate shit is over my head and the idea of coming up with various offers that'll make me money temporarily but not leave me with any tangible asset other than cash when it's all said and done doesn't interest me in 2015 given the level of competition in that area right now.

It feels like trying to get in on the DVD-player market a year before BluRay comes out (shitty analogy but whatever)
 
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Since a few are sharing their stories of failure, I will too.

Started out in '09 and caught a bad case of "shiny object syndrome" which lead me to not only market in different niches but take up different ad channels, never mastering anything. PPC, SEO, PPV...no wonder I never "made it."

I've had a few great successes that made me feel like a king for a week, but then things would always go to shit and I'd be off to the next shiny object.

I always wanted to create my own product but didn't really know how to go about doing it. When I look back now though, affiliate marketing seems like a waste of time, as you're not growing anything unless you have an email list in an evergreen niche.

So I'm happy to see that there's a new forum. I'd like to create my own brand and watch it grow. I may have to get a 9-5 while doing it but that's life I guess.
 
Since a few are sharing their stories of failure, I will too.

Started out in '09 and caught a bad case of "shiny object syndrome" which lead me to not only market in different niches but take up different ad channels, never mastering anything. PPC, SEO, PPV...no wonder I never "made it."

I've had a few great successes that made me feel like a king for a week, but then things would always go to shit and I'd be off to the next shiny object.

I always wanted to create my own product but didn't really know how to go about doing it. When I look back now though, affiliate marketing seems like a waste of time, as you're not growing anything unless you have an email list in an evergreen niche.

So I'm happy to see that there's a new forum. I'd like to create my own brand and watch it grow. I may have to get a 9-5 while doing it but that's life I guess.

Nothing is eternal. I think you have to find what you're passionate about and build a biz around it. I was also trying to master everything and chase every new niche when I first started. It doesn't work for long as you have experienced. Now I run a few quality sites in a niche that I know and am passionate about. Nothing more rewarding than getting natural inbound editorial links from PR7+ sites because they like your content, not because you paid hundreds of dollars to some BST provider. My only regret is to not have realized this sooner...
 
Normal? Incredibly politically incorrect for a guy that want to make WF more politically correct.

Define: normal
Normal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

: usual or ordinary : not strange
: mentally and physically healthy

Who mentioned "politically correct"? WTF does that even mean...

define: politically correct
politically correct - definition of politically correct by The Free Dictionary

"Conforming to a particular sociopolitical ideology or point of view, especially to a liberal point of view concerned with promoting tolerance and avoiding offense in matters of race, class, gender, and sexual orientation."

I am definately not one of those "politically correct" types, never will be.