I am a product developer - what is the etiquette here?

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So um, you may want to use your own tool to get inbound links to your *own* site to kinda prove it works, no !?

BTW, you forgot to use the yellow background highlight to emphasize the key points in your sales pitch to get for the full e-book fuck nut effect (that was a joke btw).

You really should use your own product to build links though.
 


Don't worry Nathan, this is the normal wf hazing. If you can hack and end up showing them you have a good product, they'll come around. ;)
 
Priority_Mail90 - absolutely! I agree with you 100% (not about the yellow highlighting cheese though)

One minor issue of course; it's still under development ;) On the website I mention that the planned release date is mid next month.

But hell yeah I am just itching to demonstrate the product. Just have to be patient.

Most of the engine is finished. Two of the services I built in advance (Del.icio.us and Simpy) to test the linking engine, although I did those on arbitrary URLs as I didn't have my website up yet.

What I'm doing now is finishing the main UI (today or tomorrow should have that done) then moving onto getting all the services support finished. Each service (i.e. social website supported) is implemented as a plugin, so I can release with a certain number and keep adding more as I write them. The auto-updater system is already done, the antipiracy stuff is close to done, 90% of the UI is done, etc.

Anyways point being... as soon as I can build inbound links you can be sure there'll be video evidence of that.

Oh and incidentally, you should be using Yahoo to find inbound links, not Google. Google doesn't return anything significant even when you have hundreds of inbound links.
 
Nathan: What turbo said. If you're making a good product, and you intend to stick around, you'll be welcomed into the fold. Don't forget, when you get the thing ready to launch, breasts are pretty much all the marketing that's required around here.

chatmasta: Thank fucking christ! Someone else that knows some $0.50 words... I'm so glad someone else appears to have a classical education.
 
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Priority_Mail90 - absolutely! I agree with you 100% (not about the yellow highlighting cheese though)

One minor issue of course; it's still under development ;) On the website I mention that the planned release date is mid next month.

But hell yeah I am just itching to demonstrate the product. Just have to be patient.

Most of the engine is finished. Two of the services I built in advance (Del.icio.us and Simpy) to test the linking engine, although I did those on arbitrary URLs as I didn't have my website up yet.

Anyways point being... as soon as I can build inbound links you can be sure there'll be video evidence of that.

Oh and incidentally, you should be using Yahoo to find inbound links, not Google. Google doesn't return anything significant even when you have hundreds of inbound links.
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The why are you blowing your load before you have even tested the service on your own domain ? Seems that you should wait until you have something working before pimping it. Absolutely zero people here (likely) will sign up to be notified when it's ready.

I know all the ebook donkey fucks say use both scarcity marketing and build anticipation pre-release farming email addresses, but you kinda have to have something to keep people interested. An auto spam social networking app without any links to your own domain ( checked Yahoo too ) seems a bit premature.
 
Always at least one hater.

Actually I have more than 70 people on my mailing list since putting the page up a few days ago. I have 5 affiliates signed up and a bunch of people have emailed me asking for more details.

Also I'm not using scarcity marketing. Fuck that. When it's available, it will stay that way. I've built it have a free trial too so you can play with it before paying for it.

I appreciate the response, but in this case perhaps your assumptions are off base. I would suggest that it's rude to accuse someone of the worst before looking into the facts. What happens is you end up making yourself look stupid while trying to slag on someone who's actually doing something worthwhile.

Just saying.

Oh also, the servers won't be melting when it goes live. All that product launch stuff can be annoying. I just want the sales letter to highlight and solve the problem, people to try, love and pay for the product, and if some of those sign up as affiliates, great! Nothing being concealed or bullshitted about here.

Oh and the "zero backlinks" argument you just raised (again) doesn't take into account my prior response. The application's not finished yet. Kinda hard to show a result before the software is working, don't you think? ;)

The why are you blowing your load before you have even tested the service on your own domain ? Seems that you should wait until you have something working before pimping it. Absolutely zero people here (likely) will sign up to be notified when it's ready.

I know all the ebook donkey fucks say use both scarcity marketing and build anticipation pre-release farming email addresses, but you kinda have to have something to keep people interested. An auto spam social networking app without any links to your own domain ( checked Yahoo too ) seems a bit premature.
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NathanRidley said:
Always at least one hater.

I appreciate the response, but in this case perhaps your assumptions are off base. I would suggest that it's rude to accuse someone of the worst before looking into the facts. What happens is you end up making yourself look stupid while trying to slag on someone who's actually doing something worthwhile.
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What, you mean like promoting a product that hasn't been written nor has been used on your own site, a product I might add that you are hoping people will be $197 for ?

Gimme a fucking break.

That said, 5 affiliate and 70 on your mailing list, I'm surprised, very. Since yesterday that's not too shabby, at all.
 
Priority_Mail90 said:
What, you mean like promoting a product that hasn't been written nor has been used on your own site, a product I might add that you are hoping people will be $197 for ?

Gimme a fucking break.

That said, 5 affiliate and 70 on your mailing list, I'm surprised, very. Since yesterday that's not too shabby, at all.
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Cheers...

But regarding your first statement there... The product is in fact largely written. I already mentioned that in my previous post. I just haven't used it on my site yet because I have yet to write the support for the individual services. The application itself though is working very well so far from an interface perspective. The underlying engine so far seems to be very solid too. There are screenshots up too. So like I said before, you should check things out before making assumptions.
 
It doesn't help the screen shot for your software has these guys as recommended resources ...Spammy Ebook Fucking Asshats

Just sayin'

BTW, I'm a code monkey, so I know how much effort it takes to build these things. Just telling you the initial impress is not favorable simply because you blow your load before the product was ready.

Still, hope it works out, could be useful.
 
Priority_Mail90 said:
It doesn't help the screen shot for your software has these guys as recommended resources ...Spammy Ebook Fucking Asshats

Just sayin'
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What are you talking about? I'm a member of that service and get quite a lot of value from it. Sure those guys teach how to create info products, (although that's just a small portion of what they teach in there) but it could be argued that you, being an affiliate marketer, are a "spammy affiliate marketing asshat". Always looking for the negatives aren't you? Different types of services and money making methods appeal to different people. Just because it's not your cup of tea, doesn't make it less valid than what you prefer to do.
 
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Dan Raine Douche. Hope that clears things up.
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Just read through that whole thread and all I saw was people slagging off and saying he wouldn't/couldn't do it and making fun of him. Seemed quite immature to me.

Actually according to Ed Dale, who has shown himself to be a very honest and genuine guy as far as I have seen, Dan fell short of the goal, by around $500 or so.

Now whatever you may or may not think of them based on posts you have read, the information posted inside the Immediate Edge is very useful. I've learned a lot of stuff, including stuff related to market research, link building, product development and other miscellaneous stuff too. You already know that stuff? Good for you. But if you sit on your high horse and look down upon all those who are trying to teach that which you already know, that just makes you a snob.
 
Listen, I already toned down my posts because you came here with your real name and looks like you are a genuine developer (a good thing).

However, as an initial jump in at the deep end on WF, well, associating your self with Dan Raine Douche and doing the one page sales letter style site, with email sign up + affiliate program for a product that's not been tested on your own site isn't going to make the best impression on WF.

In reality there is always something to learn, wherever you go, negative or positive. Just telling you, pimping your product in that "Raine" style and not expecting it to be called out on WF is naive. Hang around long enough here and you'll see.
 
That's cool, and I do appreciate any feedback. Seeing as you're suggesting the way I've styled the page isn't ideal, I'm curious what your thoughts are as to how it should be done.
 
Your competing with free:

* OnlyWire: The Only BookMarklet You'll Ever Need!

Wow, seems this attracts lots of similar style landing pages.

* Automatic Social Bookmarks Submitter Premium - The Only Automated Social Bookmarking Software
* Social Bookmarking Software, Social Bookmarking Tool
* Submit Bookmarks with Automatic Social Bookmarking Software :: Social Bookmarks Demon

Most decent looking site.

*Automated Social Bookmarking of URLs and RSS Feeds

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I would model my landing page on this;

* Wordpress Firewall

And this was actually done by a WF member, still even this is an Epic fail at the "buy" page because I have to register to buy it.
 
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Thanks for the product links, I hadn't seen a couple of those. Mine has its own significant USPs that I think will give it an edge, plus also it's designed so that I can build video uploading into it and anything else I can think of too.

I really like that Wordpress Firewall page. Once I've finished the software I'd already planned on trying a sort of hybrid between a sales letter and something like that. I suppose in the end, a lot of split testing will really do the trick though, which is what I am planning on doing.
 
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