I Can Make $300k + Playing Poker...Should I Give Affiliate Marketing A Shot?

mr doodles70

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I've been a professional poker player since I was 19. I'm now 23 and am probably going to try out affiliate marketing. We'll see. I'm not sure what the point of this post is, but it's not to brag.

My Considerations

1) Some days, I just can't play poker. And some days, you only can play for a few hours. You have to be in the right mood to play poker, otherwise it's easy to bleed money. If I lose too much in one day I will just quit as a preventative measure. Chances are I'm not playing that good or it would hurt my brain to continue. It would be useful to have something else to focus on when I don't play.

2) I feel like it would be nothing but a positive thing to diversify my income sources.

3) On a similar note, online poker is facing big time challenges from ignorant politicians around the world. To them, there is no difference between poker and slots...which is completely wrong. The US passed some legislation on the end of a port security bill a couple of years ago that caused a lot of poker sites to withdraw from the US market. That will go into effect December this year, and, as slow as politicians are correcting their mistakes, nothing for sure is going to prevent it from happening. I understand the government targets affiliates as well, but I don't see it going away or facing anywhere near the kind of ignorance that confronts poker.

4) Starting out, I will be making significantly less money per hour than I would if I was playing poker. That obviously feels wrong. I think this is the primary hurdle. I could spare three hours per day to learn some stuff, if that's what it took. I'd feel pretty bad about spending more time than that, except on the days I just don't feel like playing. Like most people starting out, I know next to nothing about programming/anything about websites/ad platforms.

5) I have more money than most beginners. From what I've read this can't be a bad thing.

6) I would say about 60-70% of days are winning days and the rest are losing days, and that's if you're good. You can lose even if you play well. With loss comes constant questioning of your game, which can easily bleed into the rest of your life. Even if most players are striving for this not to happen, I would say that most players overall happiness is tied to the state of their bankroll at the end of the day. If you lose three days in a row, even if you played fine and it's not really your fault, you won't be feeling so hot if those losses were big ones. The worst feeling in poker is making $30,000 in a week and losing it all back in two days, or a day, or an hour. It makes your previous week seem like a complete waste of time (even though it wasn't) and you'll feel like you have a long road ahead of you.

To sum it up: losses suck. The guarantee of losing on a regular basis is the worst thing about poker. I know you can lose money as an affiliate when testing offers, but after that, is it even close to as bad as poker (loss-wise) or is it mostly profit once you iron things out and watch everything closely?

7) I read accounts of some "super affiliates" making five figures a day. It's easy to do the same in poker (brag: I've made six in a day), but it's just as easy (no, easier) to do the opposite and lose five figures in a day (beat: I've lost six in a day). Obviously, these people are the exception rather than the rule. If you dedicate yourself, and are smart, I'm not sure how much of an exception achieving that is. I guess there's only one way to find out.

8) I feel like I might have the right personality for it. I'm obsessive when it comes to learning something I'm interested in and doing it. I am skeptical and realistic. I'm not sure if that's such a good trait to have when you're selling total junk, but it was helpful when I was reading about all of this stuff. It helped me avoid buying all of the $37 eBooks and 40 year old "newbies" in the other forums. If I read about another self-described 50yo "newb" or "newbie" I might snap. I think I've also got a good grasp on whose blogs are fluff and whose aren't.

9) Poker is always evolving and the games will continue to get harder. Which is fine and to be expected. I guess the same can be said for affiliate marketing. I think I'll always be able to make decent money playing poker, but don't want to have to rely on it when I'm 50 and all of the games are solved/overrun with pros.

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Reading over this, it sounds like I obviously want to give it a try. I know the next thing I need to do is actually do something and stop reading. I guess I'll try to join some affiliate networks. That said, would you start if you were in my situation or would you try to play more poker and spend time on this when/if poker fails? The main obstacle is the earning less per hour part...and not having much of a clue.

Also, go ahead and ask any questions about poker or playing poker professionally if you're interested. FYI, I'm typing this after losing $7k in my first hour of play/quitting.
 
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make a poker playing ebook/offer/site. (instead of AM'ing, make your own offer if it's something you are good at and can prove/quantify results).



I'm serious.
 
I think the mindset for affiliate marketing is almost exactly like playing poker.

One thing I want to point out:

To sum it up: losses suck. The guarantee of losing on a regular basis is the worst thing about poker. I know you can lose money as an affiliate when testing offers, but after that, is it even close to as bad as poker (loss-wise) or is it mostly profit once you iron things out and watch everything closely?

Nothing lasts forever in affiliate marketing and sometimes things only last a few days. Your ads get stale, your offer starts shaving, etc. If you're trying to get away from having swings between gains and losses, affiliate marketing isn't the place for that. We have them too and always will.

I used to love to play poker. Now I don't like to play because AM fills my gambling need, and the stakes and rewards are much higher. Poker seems a waste of time to me now, but I wasn't making $300K/year...
 
I actually have done a lot of work creating my own offer for poker players these past few months. It will be launched in two-four months and it's going to be good quality, too. It's definitely not an ebook. I'll make a post about it (if that's allowed) when it's ready. I expect it to be a lot of work in the beginning (and it has been). But hopefully a lot less work once everything is sorted out. Leaving me more time to try out some affiliate marketing when I'm not playing/working on that. Also, that offer will still be tied to the fate of the online poker industry.
 
make a poker playing ebook/offer/site. (instead of AM'ing, make your own offer if it's something you are good at and can prove/quantify results).



I'm serious.

This. If you're that obsessive it will be good to have your own offer because you'll be in total control of the entire marketing process - front-end to backend (not to mention that it can be much more lucrative than being an affiliate).
 
Just start your own offer as it will allow you to choose how you promote things. Get a network interested such as C2M, COPEAC, etc and then make $$$. If you are making great money at poker then why would you want to give that up. Just diversify and invest the money you are making. If you try to get into AM it takes time to learn and get things going so it would take away from something that is already making you money.
 
Pretty interesting situation actually. Assuming that you don't lose your touch with poker, you could just make back all your losses in affiliate marketing by playing a few games when you are a newbie.
 
Play poker X hours per day, work affiliate marketing Y hours per day (investing your poker profits).

With the money you'll be earning from poker you should have a nice bankroll with which to try your hand at affiliate marketing.
 
4) Starting out, I will be making significantly less money per hour than I would if I was playing poker. That obviously feels wrong. I think this is the primary hurdle. I could spare three hours per day to learn some stuff, if that's what it took. I'd feel pretty bad about spending more time than that, except on the days I just don't feel like playing. Like most people starting out, I know next to nothing about programming/anything about websites/ad platforms.

That's one of my favorite parts about AM. I make money even when I'm NOT working. I can take a day off, come back in the evening and check how much money I made during the day. Great feeling.

That won't happen with Poker. There you actually have to put in the hours to make money and there's no point at which you can cut back hours and still make as much or more money then before.
 
Here's the one biggest thing the AM has over poker- at ANY dollar amounts.

The more experience you get, the more you stack the odds in your favor, to the point where it's just silly.

Sure in poker you have talent/experience/etc. However you also simply have statistics of what's being dealt out of a deck with fixed possibilities/probabilities.

I'd much rather have my probability continue to rise in direct proportion to my experience/talent/relationships. I may SPEND money testing, but I never LOSE money getting rivered.
 
The best way to make money is to have your own product. Since you're good at poker you can definitely use your secrets in your own product whether its a book or a site or any poker related offer. If you have cash why not promote your own stuff directly or by luring affiliates?
 
I'm a little surprised so many people are recommending that I create a product. As I mentioned in my second post, I have been working on something that is not currently being offered by anyone.

It seems like the market is pretty saturated as far as poker training goes. And running one of those sites would take a LOT of work and a ton of connections. The two biggest poker training sites w/ rebills...or one year lump sum:

Poker Videos and Poker Forums: DeucesCracked Videos 7 days FREE
CardRunners: Poker instruction, poker videos, and poker training from the best online poker players in the world

Those sites have thousands of hours of content from some of the best online players of all time. Or, are you suggesting i create an eBook type offer and sell my poker "secrets" to people that don't know much about poker?

I'm just trying to get a feel for what you guys are suggesting when you're suggesting I create my own poker product. Again, I think it would be good if I wasn't tied to the fate of the online poker industry. Which is severely threatened, and in about a month and half, shit is potentially going to hit the fan for about 70% of the online player pool (us Americans).