This is EXACTLY why I wanted to get into this business...
Well...and also, because I'm tired of working for some unimaginative prick that is continuing the legacy of what Daddy busted his ass to create...
Sorry....different topic...moving on....
I feel like ranting
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This is EXACTLY why I wanted to get into this business...
Well...and also, because I'm tired of working for some unimaginative prick that is continuing the legacy of what Daddy busted his ass to create...
Sorry....different topic...moving on....
I hear ya dave. I discovered this early on. I like the stuff I promote. I would use the stuff I promote ( for the most part). If I have to hide what I promote to everyday people because of the shame I feel, then I'm promoting the wrong thing. There are two types of highly productive sales people. People that will sell shit and call it gold and are fine with that and people that really believe in the product/service they're selling. Either way, you can make alot of money, but option 2 just fits me better. Unfortunately this narrows down the field CONSIDERABLY. Which brings me to this: for the love of god ,I'm sick of the spammy looking sites. I keep telling my AMs when ever you get kind of a interesting or unique site send it my way. The ringtone/zip submit/lose weight with this magical liquid crap is so done (for me).
I agree with ya OP, but think 2 separate issues are getting mixed up here.
It's more like a zen diagram, one circle is full of self-styled "super affiliate" attention whore bloggers, the other contains the marketers that are prepared to mislead, con and bullshit people to make money, some of them targeting noob wannabe-marketers, others target the sheeple looking for something for free.
There is definitely some overlap, but I bet the least ethical marketers aren't blogging about what they do.
Just fuckin ignore the mediawhoresuperaffilateblogmastergurus, it's a lot easier. Fuck em. If a friend wants to get into this game (they always do, don't they?) and starts going the 'get rich quick' way, i'll send em here.
As for the conning and misleading shit, it's been around long before affiliates - how many products have been sold on bullshit over the years? It's not gonna stop, some people will always be happy to bullshit people to make cash. But is is affecting us all.
Going by recent discussions here it seems affiliates aren't held in particularly high regard anyway, every time someone realises that ebook he just read was a waste of his hard earned cash, she's got to do a lot more than 'just enter your zip', or the viagra was fucking fake! Every time someone is bullshitted into doing something they wouldn't do if they knew the full story, the reputation of affiliates as a whole is damaged.
I'm sure I'm not the only one here, who - when trying to explain affiliate marketing - gets, "so do you send spam email", "do you hack myspace accounts?", etc.
The sheeple already think of that stuff as what affiliate marketing is, and as more and more sheeple - consumers - get conned, misled or bullshitted to, the politicians will want to get involved - fun! more laws! - how about:
"Google begins enforcing new advertising standards law, unveiling BadAdBot and ByeBadAds technology. Any content found not complying with the new tougher laws will be removed from their index or Adwords system and the details passed to law enforcement for processing.
The so-called "BadAds" law has received criticism from many publishers and designers, particularly for insisting that key information is displayed in specific places and only in certain fonts. However, the general public are overwhelmingly behind the move which analysts estimate will save consumers $5 billion in the first year alone.
Microsoft and Mozilla have announced they are incorporating BadAdsBlocker into the next releases of their browsers, both say it can be disabled by the user, but is on by default.
Controversy still surrounds the selection of Google Checkout as payment processor for the BadAd Fine system that is funding the newly formed Global Internet & Media Police. The GIMP project has been divisive from the start, while some hail it as a shiny example of how nations can work together, many have voiced their concerns about the about of data GIMP will be keeping on every internet user and the BAF fine system which is expected to issue 5 trillion fines in the first day alone. Both Google and GIMP are still refusing to discuss the nature of their relationship, but some bloggers are briefly forgetting about the mildly amusing acronym to ponder whether it is actually the Google Internet & Media Police?
Google's released a statement thanking their employees for bringing to life the 'perfect combination of search technology and law enforcement', assurances were given that an undisclosed percentage of accounts would be manually checked and they insisted that they had the data to locate 97% of publishers responsible for ad infringements and that most would receive the fine within a few seconds by email. They refused to answer questions about rumours they are now receiving data from thousands of isps and government agencies worldwide, and strongly denied anything inappropriate about their relationship with GIMP."
It's more like a zen diagram, one circle is full of self-styled "super affiliate" attention whore bloggers, the other contains the marketers that are prepared to mislead, con and bullshit people to make money, some of them targeting noob wannabe-marketers, others target the sheeple looking for something for free.
There is definitely some overlap, but I bet the least ethical marketers aren't blogging about what they do.
Just fuckin ignore the mediawhoresuperaffilateblogmastergurus, it's a lot easier. Fuck em. If a friend wants to get into this game (they always do, don't they?) and starts going the 'get rich quick' way, i'll send em here.
As for the conning and misleading shit, it's been around long before affiliates - how many products have been sold on bullshit over the years? It's not gonna stop, some people will always be happy to bullshit people to make cash. But is is affecting us all.
Going by recent discussions here it seems affiliates aren't held in particularly high regard anyway, every time someone realises that ebook he just read was a waste of his hard earned cash, she's got to do a lot more than 'just enter your zip', or the viagra was fucking fake! Every time someone is bullshitted into doing something they wouldn't do if they knew the full story, the reputation of affiliates as a whole is damaged.
I'm sure I'm not the only one here, who - when trying to explain affiliate marketing - gets, "so do you send spam email", "do you hack myspace accounts?", etc.
The sheeple already think of that stuff as what affiliate marketing is, and as more and more sheeple - consumers - get conned, misled or bullshitted to, the politicians will want to get involved - fun! more laws! - how about:
"Google begins enforcing new advertising standards law, unveiling BadAdBot and ByeBadAds technology. Any content found not complying with the new tougher laws will be removed from their index or Adwords system and the details passed to law enforcement for processing.
The so-called "BadAds" law has received criticism from many publishers and designers, particularly for insisting that key information is displayed in specific places and only in certain fonts. However, the general public are overwhelmingly behind the move which analysts estimate will save consumers $5 billion in the first year alone.
Microsoft and Mozilla have announced they are incorporating BadAdsBlocker into the next releases of their browsers, both say it can be disabled by the user, but is on by default.
Controversy still surrounds the selection of Google Checkout as payment processor for the BadAd Fine system that is funding the newly formed Global Internet & Media Police. The GIMP project has been divisive from the start, while some hail it as a shiny example of how nations can work together, many have voiced their concerns about the about of data GIMP will be keeping on every internet user and the BAF fine system which is expected to issue 5 trillion fines in the first day alone. Both Google and GIMP are still refusing to discuss the nature of their relationship, but some bloggers are briefly forgetting about the mildly amusing acronym to ponder whether it is actually the Google Internet & Media Police?
Google's released a statement thanking their employees for bringing to life the 'perfect combination of search technology and law enforcement', assurances were given that an undisclosed percentage of accounts would be manually checked and they insisted that they had the data to locate 97% of publishers responsible for ad infringements and that most would receive the fine within a few seconds by email. They refused to answer questions about rumours they are now receiving data from thousands of isps and government agencies worldwide, and strongly denied anything inappropriate about their relationship with GIMP."
HarveyJ
He is - THE CACTUS!
I agree that the biggest issue here is the one of delivery.
Be it a product or service, if you don't deliver it, you're a con artist for promoting it to some poor schmuck.
But hold the phone for a moment!
There are some poor schmucks out there who, particularly in the service side of things, are so pathetically inept that these shonky services actually aren't as shonky as they seem to people with a modicum of intelligence, such as ourselves.
Example time, apologies in advance for name dropping my own biz, I really don't mean it as a sales pitch:
When I started with Affiliation Cash, I was using an LP that hocked a substitute to MS Office. I saw the filesharing programs that we offer and thought they were a scam. I mean, P2P is totally free if you're not a complete gibbering idiot.
Anyway, I'm a social kinda guy, so I started talking to my AM a fair bit (it's how I became an AM in the end. Someone left, they liked me, I got the offer) and some of the emails he forwarded me from the complaints department *facepalm* Some of these people's could not figure their arse from their elbows if 1st year med students had laser pointers and batons on them...
People that wanted to know why a .TORRENT file wouldn't play in media players, or how come discs wouldn't play in the DVD drive when they dragged and dropped .MKVs on them, etc etc.
A particular favourite of mine is some guy that wrote in asking why it didn't play on his entire wall like in the picture (since removed) on the site. When we attempted to offer support for his projector, it turned out he didn't have one but "that shouldn't matter, should it?" *wishing we had a retarded emoticon right now*
To these people, $50 is a bargain for tech support, and they get an unlimited amount of it (sadly).
The point I'm trying to convey is that some offers ARE outright scams. Pretty much anything by unsolicited email is guaranteed to be.
Others that appear scammy are simply a matter of filling a gap for the untold legions of morons.
Both of these could easily be killed off if people just went and did a little bit of research, instead of expecting someone ti give them all the answers, or have someone else to shoulder the blame or save their arses.
The description of it is almost nothing like what it's actually proposing to do.
Be it a product or service, if you don't deliver it, you're a con artist for promoting it to some poor schmuck.
But hold the phone for a moment!
There are some poor schmucks out there who, particularly in the service side of things, are so pathetically inept that these shonky services actually aren't as shonky as they seem to people with a modicum of intelligence, such as ourselves.
Example time, apologies in advance for name dropping my own biz, I really don't mean it as a sales pitch:
When I started with Affiliation Cash, I was using an LP that hocked a substitute to MS Office. I saw the filesharing programs that we offer and thought they were a scam. I mean, P2P is totally free if you're not a complete gibbering idiot.
Anyway, I'm a social kinda guy, so I started talking to my AM a fair bit (it's how I became an AM in the end. Someone left, they liked me, I got the offer) and some of the emails he forwarded me from the complaints department *facepalm* Some of these people's could not figure their arse from their elbows if 1st year med students had laser pointers and batons on them...
People that wanted to know why a .TORRENT file wouldn't play in media players, or how come discs wouldn't play in the DVD drive when they dragged and dropped .MKVs on them, etc etc.
A particular favourite of mine is some guy that wrote in asking why it didn't play on his entire wall like in the picture (since removed) on the site. When we attempted to offer support for his projector, it turned out he didn't have one but "that shouldn't matter, should it?" *wishing we had a retarded emoticon right now*
To these people, $50 is a bargain for tech support, and they get an unlimited amount of it (sadly).
The point I'm trying to convey is that some offers ARE outright scams. Pretty much anything by unsolicited email is guaranteed to be.
Others that appear scammy are simply a matter of filling a gap for the untold legions of morons.
Both of these could easily be killed off if people just went and did a little bit of research, instead of expecting someone ti give them all the answers, or have someone else to shoulder the blame or save their arses.
They already are.... Snowe Bill, anyone?
The description of it is almost nothing like what it's actually proposing to do.
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