I guess IE8 still needs "Emergency" Updates

[oknetwork]

I work for a company and our clients are major insurance companies, so their employees are basically the only ones who go to our website.

IE- 90.22%
IE6- 29.79% out of IE

 

[high risk]

I strongly suggest that you look at the browser version traffic stats for your site. Unless you are running a Mac fanboy site, the numbers for IE6 users will scare you.

he was dead on at 5%.. StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share

5.46% for last month

 

[Jizzlobber]

he was dead on at 5%.. StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share

5.46% for last month

Oh. I didn't realize those stats applied to niche marketing. I must be doing it wrong.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I could be totally wrong, but my guess is that the reason why IE (and MS OS' in general) has all these "security holes" is less about it being "less secure" than some of the others and more about it being targeted more because of adoption numbers. If I was going to code something malicious, I would try and exploit as large of a group of people as possible. Oh, and fuck IE.

This. Why fuck around with the markets second or third product when concentrated effort on cracking the market leader results in 70%+ of the market. Of course flaws will be found. I know I do

 

[kblessinggr]

Oh. I didn't realize those stats applied to niche marketing. I must be doing it wrong.

I lulz'd

 

[kblessinggr]

This. Why fuck around with the markets second or third product when concentrated effort on cracking the market leader results in 70%+ of the market. Of course flaws will be found. I know I do

So lets all switch to the browser most of us love, get that popular, and make IE safe again

 

[high risk]

Oh. I didn't realize those stats applied to niche marketing. I must be doing it wrong.

how about you pony up some screenshots of analytics for a niche site that has more than, let's say 8.2% (a 50% increase over the median) IE6 users?

i'm really curious what niche you're hitting that would deviate that far, other than like a facebook group called "People with old browsers join here!!!!!!!eleven"

most people who have browsers that out of date are getting mad SSL warnings on most sites anyway since half of the web is using shitty chained SSL certs now.. i really doubt these people convert very well, even if they were above the 5.46%.

tl;dr = it's 1:18 users at the median 5.46% on statcounter, but i suspect they represent even less than 3% of your 'buying' customers.

 

[Jizzlobber]

i'm really curious what niche you're hitting that would deviate that far, other than like a facebook group called "People with old browsers join here!!!!!!!eleven"

Sure, I've one niche in particular where I provide leads to brokers of US products overseas. I get a lot of foreign traffic. Let's go with some traffic from Vietnam for example. How's that working with the StatCounter?

 

[high risk]

i figured someone would argue my assertion (rightly so), so i decided to run actual data on a client's site. i took the last ~11k visitors driven by a certain affiliate source (an even 500k requests in the logs) and analyzed them.

note: the site has no issues in ie6, and looks identical in firefox 3+, ie6+, safari/chrome. the ssl certificate doesn't display any warnings in any browser. as far as i'm concerned this is a significant set of data:

11208 visits
1083 ie6
2177 ie7
3597 ie8
1927 safari
523 chrome
1999 firefox

1111 conversions 9.9% - this is our median/baseline
57 ie6 5.2% - ie6 performs 47% worse on the site
220 ie7 10.1%
436 ie8 12.1%
167 safari 8.6%
222 firefox 11.1%

notice ie6 is the only site performing below the baseline significantly.. i actually attribute safari's lower rate to the fact i didnt break out iphone visits, and a lot of their customers come from mail campaigns that people click with their iphones at first.

source/methodology for the curious.. obviously redacted client's identifying info. posted with their permission of course.

[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "POST /xxreceipt" | wc -l
1111

[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "POST /xxreceipt" | grep MSIE\ 6 | wc -l
57
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "POST /xxreceipt" | grep MSIE\ 7 | wc -l
220
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "POST /xxreceipt" | grep MSIE\ 8 | wc -l
436
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "POST /xxreceipt" | grep Chrome | wc -l
51
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "POST /xxreceipt" | grep Safari | wc -l
167
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "POST /xxreceipt" | grep Firefox | wc -l
222

[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "GET /?a" | wc -l
11208

[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "GET /?a" | grep MSIE\ 6 | wc -l
1083
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "GET /?a" | grep MSIE\ 7 | wc -l
2177
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "GET /?a" | grep MSIE\ 8 | wc -l
3597
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "GET /?a" | grep Safari | wc -l
1927
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "GET /?a" | grep Chrome | wc -l
523
[root@xx /home/xxxx/sitelogs]# tail -500000 xx.xx.com-ssl_request | grep "GET /?a" | grep Firefox | wc -l
1999

 

[high risk]

Sure, I've one niche in particular where I provide leads to brokers of US products overseas. I get a lot of foreign traffic. Let's go with some traffic from Vietnam for example. How's that working with the StatCounter?

fair enough- I'm only focused on US traffic.. asia as a whole has IE6 at almost 23% on statcounter.. 26% vietnam

 

[kblessinggr]

You know you'd think places like China would have the newest stuff due to all the piracy, but then again IE6 has so much exploits that its probably the preferred browser for exploiting a site.

 

[Jizzlobber]

You know you'd think places like China would have the newest stuff due to all the piracy, but then again IE6 has so much exploits that its probably the preferred browser for exploiting a site.

What you mean? It's the perfect browser for a country that censors the interwebz!

 

[Jizzlobber]

@high risk - nice link though. I guess if I were starting up something and perhaps targeting specific foreign traffic then it would be something good to look at.

 

[kblessinggr]

What you mean? It's the perfect browser for a country that censors the interwebz!

I don't follow... (especially since censorship is done at the routers, not the browser).

 

[high risk]

@high risk - nice link though. I guess if I were starting up something and perhaps targeting specific foreign traffic then it would be something good to look at.

yeah, i imagine.. all of my clients are really only concerned with north america traffic since those are the people holding visa & mastercard so i don't give much thought to countries abroad in terms of traffic patterns

 

[Jizzlobber]

I don't follow... (especially since censorship is done at the routers, not the browser).

Well I guess the goverment might consider it a bonus that the preferred browser might not support whatever does come through.