I think I'm actually gonna go vote..

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plus don't forget unannounced candidate gore invented the internet. where would wickedfire be with out him. oh sorry, he took the initiative of inventing the internet.
 


Yeah but at least I can sue Kaiser or Blue Shield when they fuck up, who are you gonna sue when the government run hospitals fuck up? Yeah good luck getting a court date before you die.

LOL u really think you can win against insurance companies? you ever read the fine print? when you sign off on insurance companies they have the right to make any excuse to not give you health care that will cost them thousands of dollars. many people die every year from it and there's nothing they can do about it cause they signed off on a contract written by lawyers that covers all the bases.

B.S. lawyers and law firms have field days with malpractice suits asshat, people sue hospitals and doctors all the time and also win all the time. Thats one reason premiums are high is because it is so easy to sue the medical industry.

suing hospitals is not the same as suing an insurance company.


Plus, universal healthcare is NOT the only issue that I have beef with. everything from stem cells to the way the war is handled is really frustrating to see.
 
Not really, as it's the drug companies that fund the research. Not the U.S. taxpayers. And they keep their patents for 10 years, if I'm not mistaken. Trust me, they make their money.

I don't have the time to adequately lay this out with links and whatnot (I'm at work), but big pharma is a **huge** recipient of corporate welfare. I know what you're trying to say, they take the research risk, they reap the rewards (which I wouldn't argue with), but we're funding their research, so we shared the risk. So why do we pay more than anyone in the world for drugs?

Thanks. :) I came up with it myself, as far as I know. Now if only I could get someone in Washington to listen...

See, this is the thing that our politicians (especially our current administration) absolutely don't want. When people start to agree on issues, and begin to focus on those overlapping areas of the Venn diagram, we become much harder to control. It's much easier to paint the other side as the enemy (be it conservative or liberal) than it is to figure out where our ideas overlap, and finding ways to constructively debate important issues. When the rulers have us so divided, so polarized and hating the opposite ideology more than our own shared prosperity, we act like zombies, only taking time to attack the "other" and not realizing that both Republicans and Democrats are playing for the same team.

I read too many political blogs and listen to too many podcasts. I should shut up.
 
An outsider's perspective

It seems odd that a democracy would choose to give one person so much power, though it also seems that over time the one person has chosen to increasing take more power and the democracy has not acted.

It's a shame it's a two-horse race - not much different over here (2 and a half horses I guess!). Without a fair system of representation you can't have a true democracy. Neither your electoral college system, or our first past the post system are fair.

It might not be fair, but YOU'VE GOT TO FUCKIN VOTE - sorry, just pisses me off when people complain about things but don't vote. It's the only way most people can directly affect the way we are governed. I'm actually in favour of compulsory voting (like Australia - I think??) - FUCKING VOTE.

I think there should be UN electoral monitors observing the elections - after all the outcome will affect the world. The Florida situation and more recent concerns over electronic voting show that this coming election should be very closely watched - the UN are in the best position to do this.

I would never have thought I would support a Republican, but after seeing Ron Paul with Jon Stewart I think he would make a good President. From what I've seen Kucinich also seems to be a genuinely decent person.

I somehow doubt the American people will get the choice between a couple of rebels though. It'll be Gulliani vs Clinton or something and whoever wins will continue to put big business interests above human life - abroad and at home.

I was in Thailand last year and amazed to see how much work had been done after the Tsunami, I was even more amazed to later find out just what a mess New Orleans still was. Comparing the two really says a lot.
 
If your gonna vote republican vote Ron Paul he actually does this think called thinking,

If your gonna vote democrat wait for gore to run in November, and make the vice Mr Obama that would be 2 of the smartest people to be in elected office in possibly decades.
 
If your gonna vote republican vote Ron Paul he actually does this think called thinking,

If your gonna vote democrat wait for gore to run in November, and make the vice Mr Obama that would be 2 of the smartest people to be in elected office in possibly decades.

I'm assuming you're basing this entirely on anti-war stances?

Al Gore **could** be a good president if he washed his hands of Clinton administration and made efforts to improve international relations. I think he would also do a good job of creating a realistic plan of eliminating the national debt. Obama has a lot of good stances (for me), but I'm just not sure he's ready for prime time.

But, on the other hand, Gore and Obama would both do nothing to alleviate our outlandish trade policies as they have been influenced by multinationals just as much as Giuliani, McCain, and L. Ron Romney.

In a different time, I might support one of the Democratic nominees, but there is just so much going wrong right now, we need someone who is ready to cut the crap and get back to basics. Ron Paul is the guy.

Aside: The republican debates have made me sick to my stomach. What happened to Goldwater conservatives? Did they just all die?
 
If you've ever paid an insurance premium, or a tax bill, you're already paying for the uninsured. It's called cost-shifting.

Universal health care is coming to a neighborhood near you. Embrace the change.

I live in Canada and our health care is top knotch. Good ol Tommy Douglas :bowdown:
 
wow, i had the same thought with my girlfriend this morning... fucking republicans are nuts...

i believe ron paul is against abortions, against epa standards, gay rights (sorry aden), and not having the fed (gold standard?).

mccain and guilliani are fucking out of their minds though. at least he wants out of iraq, not enough for my vote, but seems like the smartest choice if you "have" to vote republican b/c you lack a brain.
 
If I'm not mistaking, Ron Paul is against federal involvement in abortion, but is for the states controlling it.
 
Exactly. He says it in one of the videos that I posted on the first page of this thread.
Thats probably where I heard it then.
I think it would be a great system. Pro-lifers can stop bitchin and move to another state and same goes for pro-choicers.
 
Ya the gold standard seems a bit nutty IMO.
But its again trying to take power away from the gov't which I'm all for.


I think what he's pushing for is a breakaway from all the power our government has given the Federal Reserve, which is not a government entity. Basically, we base our economy on the whims of corporate banks and have been for years. Sometimes to get government bureaucracy an inch you have to push for a mile. So while going back to a gold standard is probably not feasible, getting away from the control these banks have over our economy is.
 
I think what he's pushing for is a breakaway from all the power our government has given the Federal Reserve, which is not a government entity. Basically, we base our economy on the whims of corporate banks and have been for years. Sometimes to get government bureaucracy an inch you have to push for a mile. So while going back to a gold standard is probably not feasible, getting away from the control these banks have over our economy is.

whims of the banks...

someone need to set some type of prime rate where people can borrow at... i don't know what would happen trying to keep housing rates down so it doesn't all out collapse...
 
I think what he's pushing for is a breakaway from all the power our government has given the Federal Reserve, which is not a government entity. Basically, we base our economy on the whims of corporate banks and have been for years. Sometimes to get government bureaucracy an inch you have to push for a mile. So while going back to a gold standard is probably not feasible, getting away from the control these banks have over our economy is.
Its always weird hearing about the Federal Reserve since my step-dad actually works for the FRB...

But the simple fact that we don't know whats going on with the Federal Reserve is scary on its own.

We should go back to a bartering system ;)
 
Its always weird hearing about the Federal Reserve since my step-dad actually works for the FRB...

But the simple fact that we don't know whats going on with the Federal Reserve is scary on its own.

We should go back to a bartering system ;)

I'll trade you two fish and a goat for your .com!
 
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