IMF forced savings cut

So is this a 100% done deal then? I couldn't tell if the levy was already taken or if it was coming out this week.

The most fucked up thing is markets probably wont even react this week to the fact that there's a much higher chance of there being bank runs for the PIIGS nations and then everyone else.
 


How is this any different than the government just printing more money and forcing inflation?

It's more in-your-face theft. It's basically a big "Fuck you Peons" from your friendly neighborhood government. It's something even idiots can understand.. and it's unexpected.. inflation is expected.
 
Btw, current status on this is that the money has not yet been taken out. The Cyprus parliament was supposed to meet today to finalize the vote on this.. but they have delayed it because they're losing some support for it because people (surprisingly?) are pissed.

But if they don't agree to rip off their citizens then the consequences could be just as bad or worse because Cyprus defaults.

Also, delaying won't help much. They have actually stopped all electronic transactions from Cyprus banks to stop people from taking their money out. There is a bank holiday on Monday so the banks are closed anyway.. but they just extended the bank holiday even further (till Tue) to give parliament more time to vote. They may actually keep increasing the bank holiday time.. some say up to a week or more depending. This means Cypriots wont be able to bank that entire time!

Lots of people from the UK, Russia and elsewhere have parked their money there because they have better interest rates. They're pissed too. There is basically a run on their banks but the banks won't let them have their money or do electronic transactions.. so when the banks actually do reopen the run will likely continue - now that confidence in them is broken. The Euro takes a shit.

If there isn't a 2%+ drop on the S&P on Monday I quit.
 
Is physical gold always a good alternative when saving for the long term? (10 years at least)?

Based on conversations I've been having with people who are more intelligent than I am (which there are many), the quantity of above-ground silver is becoming more scarce.

Silver is needed for construction, electronic devices, medical devices, and more. If/When the economy improves, silver is going to be needed. Long-term you decide whether it's a better bet than gold, or if the price of gold is inflated.

As far as what to own on hand, I will quote our Füher:

"Don't even get me started on what we do with investment grade diamonds. Puts precious metals to shame by comparison." (http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/166359-preservation-wealth-club-legit.html#post1897876)

"Buy diamonds, not gold." (http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/99196-gold-capital-gains-tax.html#post954076)

Good luck, bros.
 
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IMF/EU just pulled a full Ryan Eagle

I'm a little shocked at how many people are actually surprised by this. It's a screwed up situation, but it's clear people have not studied history, and therefore are destined to repeat it:

"When provisions are transported at great distances, the citizens will be impoverished. Those in proximity to the army will sell goods at high prices. When goods are expensive, the citizens' wealth will be exhausted. When their wealth [nation] is exhausted, the peasantry will be afflicted with increased taxes. When all strength has been exhausted and resources depleted, all houses in the central plains utterly impoverished, seven-tenths of the citizens' wealth dissipated, the government's expenses […], will be six-tenths of its reserves." - The Art of War

Basically, don't put your money in a bankrupt system. This is excerpted from a book written over 2400 years ago. Whenever government's expense become more than that revenue, they'll tax their people, peasants first. (Kind of like playing Sim City, first people you tax are the low-class citizens since they are less likely to leave versus the rich).

It's not hard to see the correlation in Cyprus and EWA.

EWA = Cyprus country
Eagle = IMF
affiliates = bank depositors

EWA was bankrupt cause of their own doing but also due to Big affiliates (rich depositors) using EWA for risk management. Even Obey CEO admitted he didn't take on several products because of risk, and decided to run it through EWA. Then he claimed he wanted to sue EWA cause of non-payment. I was like, "WTF? you knew the advertiser was in the middle of nowhere and high risk, so instead of taking them on directly, you decided to run it through EWA?" He stated "Yeah, everyone did that."

WTF? So everyone knew that eventually EWA might collapse with one or two non-paying advertisers, and now they want to sue EWA for non-payment, knowing there was risk. Exactly what the bank depositors (the big ones) did. They were putting their money into the nation knowing it was bankrupt but wanted the better interest rate. At some point, it's time to pay the piper. The big affiliates = Rich non-residents, small affiliates = residents. No matter what everyone is going to get screwed. IMF is doing what it has to do, and taking a 10% tax (Eagle took 100%), to keep the debtors at bay.

No matter what, in both scenarios, there are unknown rippling effects that will result. Read, history people, read books of the past, and learn from the mistakes taken, even if the story is from 2,400 years ago. Don't put your money in a bankrupt nation, company, or anything unless there is a SOUND return to profitability plan, otherwise, you might wind up holding the bag.

Good luck bro.
 
IMF/EU just pulled a full Ryan Eagle

I'm a little shocked at how many people are actually surprised by this. It's a screwed up situation, but it's clear people have not studied history, and therefore are destined to repeat it:

"When provisions are transported at great distances, the citizens will be impoverished. Those in proximity to the army will sell goods at high prices. When goods are expensive, the citizens' wealth will be exhausted. When their wealth [nation] is exhausted, the peasantry will be afflicted with increased taxes. When all strength has been exhausted and resources depleted, all houses in the central plains utterly impoverished, seven-tenths of the citizens' wealth dissipated, the government's expenses […], will be six-tenths of its reserves." - The Art of War

Basically, don't put your money in a bankrupt system. This is excerpted from a book written over 2400 years ago. Whenever government's expense become more than that revenue, they'll tax their people, peasants first. (Kind of like playing Sim City, first people you tax are the low-class citizens since they are less likely to leave versus the rich).

It's not hard to see the correlation in Cyprus and EWA.

EWA = Cyprus country
Eagle = IMF
affiliates = bank depositors

EWA was bankrupt cause of their own doing but also due to Big affiliates (rich depositors) using EWA for risk management. Even Obey CEO admitted he didn't take on several products because of risk, and decided to run it through EWA. Then he claimed he wanted to sue EWA cause of non-payment. I was like, "WTF? you knew the advertiser was in the middle of nowhere and high risk, so instead of taking them on directly, you decided to run it through EWA?" He stated "Yeah, everyone did that."

WTF? So everyone knew that eventually EWA might collapse with one or two non-paying advertisers, and now they want to sue EWA for non-payment, knowing there was risk. Exactly what the bank depositors (the big ones) did. They were putting their money into the nation knowing it was bankrupt but wanted the better interest rate. At some point, it's time to pay the piper. The big affiliates = Rich non-residents, small affiliates = residents. No matter what everyone is going to get screwed. IMF is doing what it has to do, and taking a 10% tax (Eagle took 100%), to keep the debtors at bay.

No matter what, in both scenarios, there are unknown rippling effects that will result. Read, history people, read books of the past, and learn from the mistakes taken, even if the story is from 2,400 years ago. Don't put your money in a bankrupt nation, company, or anything unless there is a SOUND return to profitability plan, otherwise, you might wind up holding the bag.

Good luck bro.

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This could be the thing that sends the PIIGS into insolvency, I know if I lived in one of the eurozone problem countries, MOnday morning my bank account would be liquidated (Granted, I would have liquidated a long time ago).
 
The question is - where do you put your money? I'm interested in hearing which countries people are using to hold their cash because as far as I know most of the places that I could withdraw using a debit card are packing enormous debts and deficits.

Thoughts?
 
The question is - where do you put your money? I'm interested in hearing which countries people are using to hold their cash because as far as I know most of the places that I could withdraw using a debit card are packing enormous debts and deficits.

Thoughts?

I suppose if you were talking about the big money that this hit the most, it would make sense to look beyond savings accounts... Gold, real estate, lending club... As far as having a stash that you could withdraw from, good question.
 
The question is - where do you put your money? I'm interested in hearing which countries people are using to hold their cash because as far as I know most of the places that I could withdraw using a debit card are packing enormous debts and deficits.

Thoughts?

Spread it across multiple banks in multiple countries if you have enough so that it's worth the hassle.

Should I go open up a BST for Swiss bank accounts? semi-srs.
 
This is all bullshit. Its no different than when the bankers stole trillions in the US. Here is the play.

1. Leak a story prior to weekend about .gov taking money from citizen bank acts.
2. Freak out the world.
3. Pour fuel on fire and say it would take an act of god to fix.
4. ????

5. Wait for the US to "bailout" with trillions going to the banks.
6. Golden parachutes to the bankers.

These guys are so obvious in what they are doing. There wont be a nickle taken from the citizens. The US is going to somehow give a few trillion to save the Euro. The global bankers will take all of that sweet sweet cash and fuck over the world.
 
I've read that it only impacts residents (which is dumb IMO, non-residents are going to fear and close their accounts, without any benefit for the country).

It's not just residents, ask the Russians who are using Cyprus as a place to wash their money clean. Also, UK has several military bases there and soldiers with money in local bank will also be affected - UK government has already said it will compensate them.

EU - what a bunch of mofos.