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About every 3 months or so a post comes up here asking what sort of business structure you need to use as an affiliate. The right answer, of course, is to hire an attorney to consult you on what to use. If you're worried about business structure, that assumes that you've already got some cash flow... so go get an attorney (more on that later).

But it's a good idea to have a rough idea what you're talking about. It saves you and your lawyer headaches and in the long run saves you money as your lawyer bills you less.

So with that in mind, I'm going to recommend this book. There's no aff link, so I won't make that $2.15 from all the clicks.

The Entrepreneur's Guide To Business Law


This has been the best text for me and will help you dodge a lot of those legal hand grenades that have been popping up. I cannot recommend it enough.

Also, here are some boilerplate documents from seed-stage VC firms. They may not help you you're probably not looking to sell equity, but it's good info nonetheless:

Techstars Model Seed Funding Documents
YCombinator Series AA Funding Documents


Also, found this little tidbit about finding a good lawyer (from HackerNews)

First: Lawyers are worth the money. Pay them. Just do it. Get a personal recommendation from someone, and they'll take you way more seriously. Like, call any lawyer you know, and ask him to refer you to a corporate lawyer. When you call and say, "Hi, is Mr. Corporate Lawyer there? Mr. Friend's Divorce Lawyer recommended you", you'll get much better service.

Other people you can ask for lawyer recommendations: Your accountant, your parents' accountant, your friends' accountant, your banker, your friend's banker, or even just the VP at your bank. Go into the bank and say, "Hi, I'm starting to get into business more - can I speak to the business banker or the vice president?" It might be scary, but they're hugely helpful. My bank's saved me a few thousand dollars over the last few years, and given me some referrals to business providers, attorneys, and an accountant. It can be scary, but talk to them.


Finally - big tip here - when you call your new business lawyer, ask his secretary if he drinks coffee or tea, and how he takes his coffee or tea. Then show up with a large version of exactly how he takes it to the meeting. Story of why this is all awesome:


I had a deal going on to buy out a partner's share of a company. I had a prospective contract, it looked fine, but I wanted to look it over with a lawyer. For a few reasons, the deal had to close within a few days, so I needed a corporate lawyer in Boston on short notice. I called an immigration lawyer my friend used to get American citizenship, and asked him for a recommendation on a good contracts/business guy. Got two names - one guy was in the Caribbean or some such at the moment, the other was available to meet me the next day. His rates were $250/hour, if I recall correctly. I asked his secretary, and he took his coffee with cream and sugar. I met him on Boylston Street with a large cream/sugar from Starbucks.


He found a way to rewrite the contract to make the LLC repurchase the partner's share, meaning that'd be pretax money. He also tweaked a couple terms to limit my personal liability (these had no effect in the end as nothing went hostile, but was still good to do). Finally, he suggested that I change the payment delivery to make it sooner, next-day air payment of a check because it was a goodwill gesture, and I took his advice. He also explained all the clauses I didn't fully understand and taught me a good bit about contracts.
We went two hours, but he knocked his invoice down from $500 to $250 - due to some combination of liking me, a personal recommendation from another lawyer he respected, and a coffee. PAY THE LAWYERS! It's much cheaper than not paying them in the end. Just make sure you're personally recommended to them, and then be very cool to them. Most people treat lawyers as a necessary evil, but if you see them as on your side (they are, at least in business law) and treat them very cool, they'll treat you very cool in return.

 


Great post +rep. I just spoke to a recommended lawyer today, and pretty much got everything setup. Will have to pay $1500 for the setup ($350 of it is the actual business registration costs itself), but it is well worth it for me. I also have to pay a yearly fee of $350 or something like that for them to produce an annual report (required up in Canada) and keep all my records in order. It's so worth paying that instead of the headache involved with doing it myself.

Now I gotta start looking at outsourcing work :)
 
Great post +rep. I just spoke to a recommended lawyer today, and pretty much got everything setup. Will have to pay $1500 for the setup ($350 of it is the actual business registration costs itself), but it is well worth it for me. I also have to pay a yearly fee of $350 or something like that for them to produce an annual report (required up in Canada) and keep all my records in order. It's so worth paying that instead of the headache involved with doing it myself.

Now I gotta start looking at outsourcing work :)

it's so easy....you just lost $1150
 
Great post +rep. I just spoke to a recommended lawyer today, and pretty much got everything setup. Will have to pay $1500 for the setup ($350 of it is the actual business registration costs itself), but it is well worth it for me. I also have to pay a yearly fee of $350 or something like that for them to produce an annual report (required up in Canada) and keep all my records in order. It's so worth paying that instead of the headache involved with doing it myself.

Now I gotta start looking at outsourcing work :)

Nice to know, I'll be going this route in the coming months... kind of sucks for the 350$ yearly though? Would this fee go away if you learned how to do the report yourself? Just wondering..

Looks like an awesome post OP, will be going over this tonight and thanks for posting it!
 
Nice to know, I'll be going this route in the coming months... kind of sucks for the 350$ yearly though? Would this fee go away if you learned how to do the report yourself? Just wondering..

Looks like an awesome post OP, will be going over this tonight and thanks for posting it!

Ya man, but for yourself you probably don't really need a lawyer. I had to setup a corporate structure where I am the primary shareholder (with all votes etc) and my wife as the secondary. I also want the flexibility to pay her dividends while I pay myself nothing etc (because she is on mat leave so her income is really low). For myself, it's about load balancing the incomes so that one doesn't make $200K while the other makes $50K etc.

But if you are the sole shareholder in your corp, you can probably do the incorporation yourself. Just my opinion.
 
Ya man, but for yourself you probably don't really need a lawyer. I had to setup a corporate structure where I am the primary shareholder (with all votes etc) and my wife as the secondary. I also want the flexibility to pay her dividends while I pay myself nothing etc (because she is on mat leave so her income is really low). For myself, it's about load balancing the incomes so that one doesn't make $200K while the other makes $50K etc.

But if you are the sole shareholder in your corp, you can probably do the incorporation yourself. Just my opinion.

Yea I don't have complications like that..

A quick google found this site to incorporate online for Canadians out there,

Corporations Canada - Home

Online
(Incorporation fee is $200)

Would this be what you would use Spliff? :P

Going to pick up OP's book recommendation ASAP also...
 
Yea I don't have complications like that..

A quick google found this site to incorporate online for Canadians out there,

Corporations Canada - Home

Online
(Incorporation fee is $200)

Would this be what you would use Spliff? :P

Going to pick up OP's book recommendation ASAP also...

I'm not 100% sure about those websites above, but for BC there is a BC website to register your business. I think you said you were in ON, so there must be one for there as well. I think some things vary from province to province and that's why each one has it's own online business registry website.

Also remember that in Canada, you need to file an annual report every year. This is mandatory (and a major PITA), and if you fail to comply your business could be dissolved. That is why I'm paying the recurring legal fees, to publish and submit that for me on my behalf as well as any other paperwork to keep my business in good standing with the government. Last thing I need is the IRS knocking on my door because I "forgot" to submit something.
 
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