Is it ok to kill children?



That's a tough one...

White children? Brown children?

Can you please be more specific with the question?
 
Thanks I was just editing that in as you posted. Great minds and all that jazz.

Thanks for clearing that up, makes it a lot easier.

Killing children is wrong. Killing people is wrong. It's fundamentally evil unless you're acting in self-defense (no such thing as "preemptive" self-defense).

Unless you're talking about children in Terrorstazistan.

Those crazy kids actually think they're people.
 
This is old news. People just don't care. Drones are being sold in malls now.

Before I dropped out of college, I was studying Political Science. For a debate, I researched a number of reports on this in 2010-2011 that showed pretty clearly that drones are the dumbest thing ever. A cray unacceptable number of civilians are killed, routinely, by this ineffectual tactic. It's also extra-judicial, meaning there's no laws around it and it probably breaks a number of very good international laws.

But your ability to see that fact is hinged on whether or not you believe the USA CAN AND SHOULD RUN TEH WORLD.

In a class of 30 undergrads, all studying polsci, we debated this question. One side was for weaponized drones and the other against.

I was the only one on the "against" side that believed we should not use weaponized drones, period. Everyone else on my team decided that they should be used, but we need clear cut laws created to govern their usage.

The college educated are super obedient and committed to protecting the status quo, whatever it is.

I found that, if you look at the experience of the Israeli military, who used "targeted-killings" well before these US drone attacks, it's clear that killing leaders does not decrease the number of attacks. What it does is create even more attacks, but those new attacks kill less people. It's not really a solution to anything, but kicking the can around.

Which is good if you want an endless war.

On the legal side, it's extra-judicial, like I said already. I had members of the Army War College come to my school and they were straight telling us that there's no laws.

The problem is that for these killings to be legal, and not war crimes (hint: they are.), the target needs to be on a battlefield. But they aren't.

But, if you stretch the definition of battlefield, then it becomes legal. Which is what the government has done. That's what all these secret court orders and laws are about. There's plenty of representatives, like Sen. Lindsey Graham, who believe that the "homeland" is part of the battlefield.

You're the enemy, no matter where you are, it's Battlefield Earth.

It's really a problem of how you imagine your community. It's easy to not care about the government killing innocent people overseas if you are a superior human and better than those inferior sand people. But if you realize that if the government will do it to them, they'll do it to you, then you would be against drone attacks just for self preservation reasons alone.
 
No one really gives a shit at the current moment, all eyes are on the fucking royal baby, for Christ sake.

Exactly.

How can you talk about some dead kids in Pakistan if we still don't know the name of a royal baby?

How can you talk about Pakistani kids living in ruined country if the color of royal baby's room is still not decided?

How can you talk about some drone attacks knowing royal baby was overdue?
 
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Only when they're sad.
 
In my holy scripture, The Dhammapada, it is said that one should only hunt children as a food source, but not for sport. This is corroborated in the holy song of the lord, the Bhagavad Gita. In the Rigveda, it is said that we should remove their foreskin and not eat their meat if they are of cloven penis. The Tao Te Ching says that one who has not killed a child does not know the true way.

I hope this clarifies things.
 
The bombing raids by the British in WWII were way more horrific and amoral. The fire-raids on Dresden were particularly objectionable as the city had no military value whatsoever and the resulting firestorm killed about 25k mostly civilian people.

So we (the Anglo-Saxon hegemon) have been killin' the enemy for a fuck of a long time before the 2000s.

And good luck trying to find a Brit who will say sorry over that.
 
It's fundamentally evil unless you're acting in self-defense.

A man steps onto my property with the intention of doing me harm. I grab my gun and shoot at him in the interest of self defense. Missing, I kill my neighbors daughter Ann.

Am I still a good man? Was what I did wrong? Should I fire again?

Or as Guerilla put it.

Does stopping "terrorism" make it ok to kill children?
 
A man steps onto my property with the intention of doing me harm. I grab my gun and shoot at him in the interest of self defense. Missing, I kill my neighbors daughter Ann.

Am I still a good man? Was what I did wrong? Should I fire again?

Or as Guerilla put it.

It depends on the circumstances.

You may be guilty of manslaughter or criminal negligence if you open fire knowing that if you miss you may hit someone innocent.

A gun is designed to easily target one person, unlike a bomb.

If the bullet passed through the aggressor and inadvertently hits Ann than it may be the aggressors fault. It'd be a freak tragedy.

I'd need more details and I'm not a judge.

On the other hand, when you talk about "stopping terrorism" how many people killed by drone strikes have ever aggressed against you? Zero.

So yeah, all joking aside, killing kids with bombs is never justified.
 
You might as well say that all war is wrong since children are always killed. The only way to truly end a war is utter domination like in WW2. Germany and Japan haven't made much problems since then have they. Likewise, if we want to deal with this muslim scourge once and for all, stop the pussyfooting and move in with all the might of the entire military. Bomb and napalm the shit out of Waziristan and Helmand until there is not a single living thing standing. Tell the people of Karachi who are not Taliban to get out within 10 days, then roll in with a massive force and plant a 100 foot Statue of Liberty.

The muslims need to see overwhelming force and power similar to how the Japanese needed to see their emperor made human.

Do it right or just pick up your rc-plane and go home to mom.
 
Probably because I'm guessing there are less than 50 people alive who were involved?

Doesn't matter, the guilt is inherited, just like white guilt over slavery. The germanic people DEMAND an apology.