Is it ok to kill children?
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Hint: the answer is no.
Anything else is probably a complicated ass attempt at diluting and justifying the evil you are complicit in.
Do you generally avoid being killed or is that something you think would be good?
Anything else is probably a complicated ass attempt at diluting and justifying the evil you are complicit in.
Do you generally avoid being killed or is that something you think would be good?
42 responses to a thread with a real, substantive discussion about values, morality and philosophy.
Then stop talking about anything Islamic related that is over 60 years old too pls.
They were testing the bombs to see their real effects. Cold, but true.
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Good question. What's your answer?
Humans are going to kill each other. And when they do, they kill people they don't intend to.
You'd kill people too if you thought your interests (your dog, your house, your whatever), were at risk.
Some people just have a wider concept of what their interests are.
You can talk about utopian shit (like your non-violence-anarchy crap), but the fact is, humans are going to human. You and me too. We haven't evolved past that and it will likely take 100,000s or 1,000,000s of years before we really progress (if we get there), because that is the speed at which evolution works.
Morality is simply what the powerful inculcate onto the non-powerful to justify their actions; everyone will succumb to situational ethics, some more easily than others.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t99bpilCKw"]Ain't No Rest For The Wicked - YouTube[/ame]
You'd kill people too if you thought your interests (your dog, your house, your whatever), were at risk.
Some people just have a wider concept of what their interests are.
You can talk about utopian shit (like your non-violence-anarchy crap), but the fact is, humans are going to human. You and me too. We haven't evolved past that and it will likely take 100,000s or 1,000,000s of years before we really progress (if we get there), because that is the speed at which evolution works.
Morality is simply what the powerful inculcate onto the non-powerful to justify their actions; everyone will succumb to situational ethics, some more easily than others.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t99bpilCKw"]Ain't No Rest For The Wicked - YouTube[/ame]
This is no different then Islamist and Arab countries...
Does spreading Islam make it OK for all this below?
Is it OK to rape children?
Is it OK to behead children and wives?
Is it OK to stone women?
Is it OK to bomb innocent people/bystanders?
Why don't you answer that question for us?
Surely we can do better than "neener neener what about Islam?" type posts.
We're talking YOUR ethics and whether they UNIVERSAL.
Maybe they are. Maybe they are not. That's the discussion.
Anarchists do not promote non-violence. They hold violence in the act of self defense as justified. And as you say, definitions of self and when to use defense will vary.
The US government argues it is acting in self defense for example.
Interesting. Maybe this is a line of thought you could pursue further?
Sometimes more force gets the equal and opposite reaction.
Now if you think that destroying everyone is a good idea, then a foreverwar might be the right way to go.
But if your end goal is peace, rationalism and compassion, genocide and world war probably aren't congruent with your ends.
Death is something I'm biologically programmed to avoid. We're all biologically programmed to avoid death. Because of this, I'm more likely to feel that being killed is "bad." But....
Why is killing considered "wrong?" Why is killing children "wrong?" I'm not saying I have the answer, I'm just interested in what other people say. Let's go deep.
I'm sure you have written off replying to me at this point. It's cool. Our time is limited.
I do think though the real conversation here is can you uphold peace and compassion -- can you stop harming innocent people while also supporting deadly force in the act of self defense?
I'm sure you have thought this through and I would be interested in hearing your opinion.
Just because you create some Kantian categorical imperative doesn't mean everyone has to follow it. Ideals are one thing, reality is another. Can one translate into the other? Not usually when you have 7 billion different minds perceiving reality differently and thinking on different tiers of emotionality and intellect. It really boils down to what Jon said. What are YOU going to do internally about these facts. Because you damn sure aren't going to do something to anyone else's internal reality, unless you end it by killing them.
One day when I slip up and have children, I will raise them peacefully and teach them to reject the idea that we should use violence to solve problems and that we should draw our own conclusions using reason and evidence.
Maybe some other folks on this board will do the same, if they're not already.
Interesting.
The US government would argue they are acting in self defense.
How do we keep this right to self defense from being situational?
I am inside your internal reality. Can you feel me?
Opinion != fact
There are no rights.
We can't live in utopia. That doesn't mean we have to accept every evil.
The killing of all children from drone strikes would end if the people would lay down their guns and just goto work. As long as people are intent on killing westerners, westerners will have to kill their babies.
Is it wrong for a lion to kill a baby (name animal)? Humans are animals first and foremost, then we are pack animals. We will do whatever is necessary to see our pack survives.
Fortunately we are not mindless robots and all the enemy has to do is call a truce, meet us across the table and shake our hands.
The question is skewed. Is it wrong or right has no bearing. Is it necessary or unnecessary for our race to survive. If it is necessary for the safety and growth of the western people, then yes it is justified.
The jungle knows no right or wrong, it is simply a chemical reaction in the brain. It is to be disregarded when planning the survival of your tribe.
Is it wrong for a lion to kill a baby (name animal)? Humans are animals first and foremost, then we are pack animals. We will do whatever is necessary to see our pack survives.
Fortunately we are not mindless robots and all the enemy has to do is call a truce, meet us across the table and shake our hands.
The question is skewed. Is it wrong or right has no bearing. Is it necessary or unnecessary for our race to survive. If it is necessary for the safety and growth of the western people, then yes it is justified.
The jungle knows no right or wrong, it is simply a chemical reaction in the brain. It is to be disregarded when planning the survival of your tribe.