JFK telling the truth

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gnothi seauton
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How I've made it this long without finding this speech, I have no idea. It's refreshing to hear a president of this country actually speak the truth.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces]President John F Kennedy Secret Society Speech version 2 - YouTube[/ame]
 


Now see, if he wasn't such a good hearted guy, maybe he wouldn't have been assassinated. This is the modern world, after all. Can't have people like that around, and in positions of power.
 
He was 100% correct thats why he will always be loved in history.
GREAT prez. That one split second of his death changed the future of mankind and I am not joking at all.
So sad to see douchebags like Bush representing the USA.
 
Yeah I do not know a lot about him but it seems to me that, if I remember correctly, he was behind assassinations, invasions, continuing racist policies, and countless scandals that certainly make Bill Clinton jealous and make Herman Cain look like an angel.
 
REIMktg said:
Yeah I do not know a lot about him but it seems to me that, if I remember correctly, he was behind assassinations, invasions, continuing racist policies, and countless scandals that certainly make Bill Clinton jealous and make Herman Cain look like an angel.
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Kennedy was against all that, he struck down operation northwoods and expresses his regret in the assasination of the south vietnamese president here - JFK on the Assassination of South Vietnam President Diem
 
REIMktg said:
Yeah I do not know a lot about him but it seems to me that, if I remember correctly, he was behind assassinations, invasions, continuing racist policies, and countless scandals that certainly make Bill Clinton jealous and make Herman Cain look like an angel.
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Correct. He was an extremely charismatic politician with an unprecedented political machine in place. The real JFK was closer to something out of Boardwalk Empire than the saint that he is now perceived to be.

*** Yes he regretted these things later in the way that all politicians and criminals regret the things for which they are caught.

His assassination makes getting an accurate picture of his presidency all but impossible.

That said, maybe one of the best things that Obama can do for the country, his legacy and the Democratic party is to start taking well publicized rides in convertibles.
 
freezeprogram said:
*** Yes he regretted these things later in the way that all politicians and criminals regret the things for which they are caught.
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I don't think it's quite that simple. He was a member of an already powerful family, like many puppet presidents pretty naive to the realities of politics all in all according to many accounts, and he had the world handed to him on a silver platter. The elite who put him into power expected him to be a regular old puppet and playboy and to some extent yes he was, but he also turned out to be autonomous and populist enough that they had to get rid of him. Yeah he definitely did some shitty things but the amount of shitty things he did not do, and good things he did do in proportion, and his future plans to withdraw support for shit that the evil empire depends on for survival, war, cia, federal reserve, etc were - and still are - dealbreakers for occupying the presidential seat.

He definitely was not a saint. But he did fight well for the interests of the American people and that's more than can be said for at least $number presidents before and after him.
 
Just a quick G search turned up the following. Of course I am no expert and this page could have been written from BST - but some of it is indisputable. I am not really an anti-Kennedy person - its just that he does not likely deserve the honor so many attribute to him. It also shows that the US has been up to crazy crap for decades and most of you think it was all about Bush because he is the first president you remember in your young lives.

  • 1946 House of Representatives race, his father spent $300,000 on his campaign in violation of law. JFK reported to the Massachusetts Secretary of State that there were no campaign contributions or expenditures.
  • 1952 Senate seat was won by skulduggery (Reeves p 106).
  • Johnson on JFK, "He never said a word of importance in the Senate and never did a thing." JFK promised Senator Stuart Symington that he was the 1960 VP choice, but then had a mysterious meeting with LBJ and Sam Rayburn at which Johnson blackmailed him with dirt given him by FBI Director Hoover.
  • 1960 JFK stole the election which he had officially won by a mere 119,450 votes. Illinois State's Attorney Benjamin S. Adamowski charged on December 1 that the Chicago Democratic machine had stolen at least 100,000 votes. More than 10 percent of Chicagoans were left off polling lists, absentee ballots were not counted and there were many apparent erasures on the paper ballots. In Texas tens of thousands of ballots disappeared and The New York Herald Tribune reported that 100,000 votes tallied for Kennedy-Johnson never existed in the first place. They won Texas by 46,000 votes.
  • JFK's first priority as President was the assassination of Prime Minister Lumumba of the Congo and Trujillo of the Dominican Republic.
  • JFK was reluctant on Civil Rights, the major issue of the day. (Reeves p 416) JFK made campaign promises to blacks that he did not keep which led to riots. Akhil Reed Amar of Yale Law School faults JFK for appeasing Southern Democrats by stocking the lower federal bench with "notorious segregationists." RFK ordered extensive electronic surveillance of Martin Luther King admittedly "investigating the love life of a group leader for dissemination in the press."
  • JFK used the FBI to his personal advantage and to silence press critics.
  • ENEMIES LIST! Nixon was impeached primarily for misusing the IRS. In early 1961 JFK planted family friend Carmine Bellino in the IRS with the title "special consultant to the president "and demanded that he have access to tax returns. They turned the IRS into a lending library. Quoting from the Wall Street Journal of January 28, 1997: "the Kennedys were far worse than Nixon in their manipulation of the IRS...The documents show that the Kennedys targeted non-exempt activist groups. And the auditing was done at the behest of politicians, not the professionals at the IRS...On December 20, 1961, Rogovin forwarded to Dean J. Barron, the IRS audit director at the time, a list of 18 organizations to investigate." Scores were targeted later including: Daughters of the American Revolution, the Americans Veterans Committee, the Conservative Society of America, Americans for Constitutional Government, All-American Society, the Conservatives, the Christian Crusade, Life-Line Foundation, Christian Echoes Ministry, the National Education Program of Harding College, the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith, the Freeman Charitable Foundation, and the Christian Anti-Communist Crusade. Many of these groups had their tax-exempt status revoked. The Kennedys also targeted corporate taxpayers and at one point had a plan to target up to 10,000 groups.
  • Bay of Pigs, Cuba, April 15, 1961 - JFK interfered with the military operation both in planning and execution to make it worse; did not keep commitments he had made, especially for airstrikes; made public statements that the US would not support insurrection in Cuba which discouraged resistance to Castro, blamed others for its failure and lied to the public about it. JFK weakened the original plan to make it virtually certain to fail (both of the original CIA planners Esterline and Hawkins threatened to resign over the changes). JFK was directly told by Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Lemnitzer that the invasion "would have very little chance of success." The Joint Chiefs in a memorandum of January 27, 1961 wrote "The current Political-Para-Military Plan does not assure the accomplishment of the above objective nor has there been detailed follow-up planning to exploit that plan if it succeeds or for any direct action that might be required if the plan is found to be inadequate." JFK went ahead with the plan, according to Arthur Schlesinger, to impress Eisenhower and Kruschev. RFK led the coverup to protect the president with a shield of lies that he had received bad advice and really didn't know much about it. Esterline says now "What I find so unacceptable is how cavalier they (the Kennedys) were in taking nearly 2,000 people and putting them out as animal bait." Four Americans and 114 CIA-trained Cubans were killed and 1,189 were captured.
  • Cuban Missile Crisis - JFK brought the world to the brink of nuclear holocaust by pursuing a game of nuclear chicken that defines him as the riskiest president in history. Dean Acheson said JFK was "phenomenally lucky." We were too. JFK forced the public confrontation for political reasons and humiliated Kruschev, the man he had to deal with. JFK backed down on inspection for compliance and lied to the public about the resolution of the crisis, denying that we had agreed to withdraw vital U.S. installations from Turkey in exchange for the removal of Soviet missiles from Cuba - a deal which was political poison. On October 22, 1963, JFK wrote his staff in a hand-written note "Is there a plan to brief and brainwash key press within 12 hours or so?" By being dishonest with the American people, JFK gave the Soviets, who had the facts, the power to destroy his Presidency and thereby unduly influence him. Also the timing was dishonest, he had known about the missiles since August 22 when informed by CIA Director McCone. He announced it on October 22nd to influence Congressional elections in favor of Democrats. There is evidence that the Russians never removed their missles, but at best the end result - status quo ante minus US missles in Turkey - was clearly worse for the US. JFK's handling of the crisis to the point of our nuclear annilation was the most irresponsible act of any president in history.
  • New terrorism - JFK ordered the CIA (100 million dollar Operation Mongoose) to sabotage the Cuban economy and assassinate Fidel Castro, showing an irresponsibility and lack of judgment bordering on dereliction. The CIA offered a 150,000 dollar open contract on Castro. Samuel Halpern, the CIA executive in charge of Task Force W whose sole purpose was to assassinate Castro, wrote that the Kennedys were obsessed about wanting Castro dead "for personal reasons - because the family name was besmirched by the Bay of Pigs." Even up to his death, JFK was directing an effort to manufacture pretexts to invade Cuba. These efforts may have precipitated the Cuban missile crises.
  • November 1, 1963 JFK instigated a plot to overthrow and kill South Vietnam's Premiere Diem. JFK played politics with American lives in Vietnam, he put his election ahead of American lives. He feared that Diem, who was negotiating with the North, would force Americans out before the 1964 elections. Voice of America broadcasts called for the coup, JFK had cut off pay to the Palace Guard and American advisors were attached to almost every unit that attacked the Presidential Palace. The Viet Cong made huge advances in the resulting confusion. JFK had asked Air Force General Edward Landsdale, an ex-CIA man, to go to Saigon and help "get rid" of Diem (he refused). Lt. Col. Lucien Conein was used instead. The fundamental planning document was the August 30, 1963, memo to Secretary of State Dean Rusk from Roger Hilsman, Assistant Sec. State for Far Eastern Affairs. It said among other things, "We should encourage the coup group to destroy the palace if necessary to gain victory..." and in point 10 it ordered the death of Diem. In 1961 when JFK took office there were 685 US military advisors in Vietnam and in 1963 there were 16,732 (including combat troops) in violation of the 1954 Geneva Conventions and aid had gone up to $400 million per year. Kennedy said "now we have a problem in trying to make our power credible, and Vietnam looks like the place."
  • In the Summer of 1963, the US had 200 Atlas, Titan and Minuteman missiles, over 100 Polaris missiles and about 1700 nuclear bombers. Russia had about 50 ICBM's and 200 long-range bombers. Our megatonnage was 10 to 1. JFK decided to give away our advantage, hold back our nuclear forces and allow the Russians to catch up on the theory that this would create an equal balance of terror and work for world peace. Kennedy's idea, which turned out to be false, was that if the Soviets caught up that they would then stop their military buildup. This was probably the single most dangerous mistake Kennedy made.
 
REIMktg said:
Yeah I do not know a lot about him but it seems to me that, if I remember correctly, he was behind assassinations, invasions, continuing racist policies, and countless scandals that certainly make Bill Clinton jealous and make Herman Cain look like an angel.
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You have to play the fucking game. No one expects the president to actually be 100% transparent, it's just not going to happen.. What people expect is for the president to be a fucking patriot, and bottom line: He was a patriot, and he died for it.
 
lose lose win said:
How I've made it this long without finding this speech, I have no idea. It's refreshing to hear a president of this country actually speak the truth.
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You may have not heard this one either. Eisenhower was the president before JFK.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY"]Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. - YouTube[/ame]
 
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