Kid Goes Off On Lazy Fat-Ass Teacher For Not Doing Her Job

dreamache said:
The right thing to do...
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Oh cute, you cared enough to quote each sentence again. Look at the kids in the class who are embarrassed that he is making a disturbance, hands are over faces. Shit, I curse too - but he was kicked out way before that. IMHO he deserved it.
I'll agree that we don't know the context over what happened both before and after this recording, so none of us know the real story here. It does not appear to be a simple critique. Also, no one is forcing him to be there against his will. I actually agree with you about earning respect with friends, but you don't get that luxury in high school with teachers.
To the point of home schooling - I'd rather not have an Unschooled Doctor operating on me to save my life, but I am not discounting the value of home schooling. There is value in both.
 


Originally Posted by Firelead
I don't know about you, but if I couldn't read and write properly, and do math, I couldn't be an entrepreneur. So yes, it is important to not be a total idiot.
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I realize this isn't pertinent to this discussion but I have to call you out on this. Not being able to properly read, write & do math does not make you an idiot (it might make you dumb?)

An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.
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You may be surprised at the number of very successful entrepreneurs with very limited education. I am talking about millionaire guy's that can barely read and write. Where these guy's lack in book smarts they make up in street smarts. Often times they have such a powerful drive and a 1 track mind it would be nearly impossible not to succeed. I am not saying this is common or the norm. But it is more common than you might think.

Your personality is more of a factor than your book smarts when it comes to having what it takes to become a successful entrepreneur.
 
I don't typically say shit like this, but if you also went to a hyper-urban, low-income, over-saturated shithole public high school, you'd know exactly what was going on in this video. I went from one of the largest high schools in the U.S. (complete shithole) to one of the most prestigious universities in the country (think rich Jews), and the perception of urban education among the upper class elite is completely warped. The funniest thing is, they think they've got the entire thing figured out from reading scholarly journals but they wouldn't be caught dead stepping foot in my neighborhood.

Firelead, you strike me as either one of two things. Either you didn't go to this kind of high school and you think you understand urban education really, really well but you actually don't, or you did go to this kind of high school but for some reason you don't recognize how broken our public school system is, especially in urban areas, primarily due of the lack of incentive for teachers and students alike.

Like most other things, fixing the education system comes down to incentives. And like most other things in the public sector, incentive is completely absent.
 
brandonbaker said:
I don't typically say shit like this, but if you also went to a hyper-urban, low-income, over-saturated shithole public high school, you'd know exactly what was going on in this video.

Firelead, you strike me as either one of two things. Either you didn't go to this kind of high school and you think you understand urban education really, really well but you actually don't, or you did go to this kind of high school but for some reason you don't recognize how broken our public school system is, especially in urban areas, primarily due of the lack of incentive for teachers and students alike.

Like most other things, fixing the education system comes down to incentives. And like most other things in the public sector, incentive is completely absent.
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My experience with schools is irrelevant, even though I've experienced first hand all types of schools in the worst of neighborhoods where there are gangs and murders, and really good schools in the best of neighborhoods. I'm originally from Philly. I will agree with you there that some urban schools are broken, but not all schools are broken.
I don't think I have all the answers. I'm not a teacher, I'm an entrepreneur and I call it as I see it. It's just my opinion.
 
IceToEskimos said:
My favorite excerpt:
Don’t get conned into this gross misallocation of time and money. An MBA is worse than useless. Only a fool would rather have one than the $100,000, the lost income, and the two years of lost time and experience it costs.
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Casey is great on quips. He has a gift. ;)


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Firelead said:
My experience with schools is irrelevant
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I know what you mean. That's why I prefaced my last post with "I don't typically say shit like this," because in most cases, reason trumps experience. But in this particular case, you have to have been there, done that, and bought and sold the t-shirt before you truly realize what a hero this kid is.
 
Seems to be a common theme in urban schools:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6KgTNAJwdI"]South Shore Student From Chicago Snapping On The Music Teacher For Not Teaching! - YouTube[/ame]
 
dmnEPC said:
Good catch. Guess i missed that. She must have picked up the ebonics in the classroom.


PS That other kid is asian.

PSS I stand corrected this may not have been race related. It was simply an issue of a teacher to lazy to try to have a positive impact on this young man's life. Its easier to just kick them out. Hopefully this young man has a way to challenge his critical thinking skills. It's clear the teacher wont support it.
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You are stellar at standing corrected.
 
if that were me i would have gotten my ass kicked at home and no viral video ourporing of sympathy
teachers have amung the hardest jobs in the world
 
Is this what public school is like? Makes me very thankful I got to go a private school where teachers came in excited to teach.
 
IceToEskimos said:
Many of the people I knew in HS who went to college with no clear plan as to what they wanted to do when they graduated, and no real desire or drive to enter any particular industry wound up as teachers.

It's almost like a default failsafe job for white-collar kids, the way city jobs are for blue-collar kids.

Teacher, garbageman, police officer, fireman, either way, they're stealing money from me to subsidize their existence and expecting me to thank them for it.

That being said, if this kid was as smart as some people want to make him out to be, he wouldn't even be there in the first place. He'd be out doing something, instead of sitting around a classroom complaining.
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That's interesting. So did I.

I also knew and continue to know a lot of teachers who went to college with the express intention of becoming educators when they graduated, with lots of real desire and drive to enter the education industry specifically and they wound up as teachers too.

It's almost like it's almost not like a default failsafe job for white-collar kids, the way city jobs are almost like they're almost not for blue-collar kids, and the way globalizing statements are almost like default failsafe responses that fail to account for uncomfortably large exceptions to their declarative rules, and that make the people who utter them appear as foolish as they intend the objects of their declarations to appear.

Teacher, garbageman, police officer, fireman, either way, they're the last paltry recipients from a monopolized government who is stealing money from you and, like practically every other profession, some of them show up to work every day to subsidize their existences, some of them show up because others are depending on them, and some of them show up because they're passionate about the work they do.

That being said, if the private sector invested in jobs instead of derivatives, and in education instead of mind control, smart kids like him who weren't satisfied with his education would feel more confident out doing something, instead of sitting around a classroom trying to express the frustration of his generation's outlook on their futures in one of the only ways he knows how.
 
MSTeacher said:
That's interesting. So did I.

I also knew and continue to know a lot of teachers who went to college with the express intention of becoming educators when they graduated, with lots of real desire and drive to enter the education industry specifically and they wound up as teachers too.

It's almost like it's almost not like a default failsafe job for white-collar kids, the way city jobs are almost like they're almost not for blue-collar kids, and the way globalizing statements are almost like default failsafe responses that fail to account for uncomfortably large exceptions to their declarative rules, and that make the people who utter them appear as foolish as they intend the objects of their declarations to appear.

Teacher, garbageman, police officer, fireman, either way, they're the last paltry recipients from a monopolized government who is stealing money from you and, like practically every other profession, some of them show up to work every day to subsidize their existences, some of them show up because others are depending on them, and some of them show up because they're passionate about the work they do.

That being said, if the private sector invested in jobs instead of derivatives, and in education instead of mind control, smart kids like him who weren't satisfied with his education would feel more confident out doing something, instead of sitting around a classroom trying to express the frustration of his generation's outlook on their futures in one of the only ways he knows how.
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I hoped you'd be in this thread sooner or later.

Certainly, the experiences I've had, and what I've seen are as subjective as my opinions about the causative agents involved.

I've known a lot of educators, and continue to. My GF's parents are both retired educators/administrators and as a consequence, I avoid discussing this topic with them. In my experience, even the most dispassionate individual gets fired up when the utility of their vocation is called into question.

I think learning is important, I'm not really sold on education, though. A one-size fits all mentality prevails in everything the state touches, and nowhere is it more damaging than when it's applied to the process of shaping young minds.

There are plenty of good, honest teachers, firefighters, police officers, and DMV employees out there, but that doesn't mean they are entitled to have me support them, and I don't have a lot of sympathy for anyone who makes a choice to enter into a profession that is not market supported, for whatever reason.

I'm not a fan of this video, or the kid in it. Like many others, he seems to expect that he will be given an education, and blames his teacher for not giving it to him in the manner he feels he's entitled to receive it. It's not an attitude that will serve him well in the world, and his histrionic temper tantrum is more embarrassing than inspirational.

Impotent fulmination is impotent.
 
IceToEskimos said:
I hoped you'd be in this thread sooner or later.

Certainly, the experiences I've had, and what I've seen are as subjective as my opinions about the causative agents involved.

I've known a lot of educators, and continue to. My GF's parents are both retired educators/administrators and as a consequence, I avoid discussing this topic with them. In my experience, even the most dispassionate individual gets fired up when the utility of their vocation is called into question.

I think learning is important, I'm not really sold on education, though. A one-size fits all mentality prevails in everything the state touches, and nowhere is it more damaging than when it's applied to the process of shaping young minds.

There are plenty of good, honest teachers, firefighters, police officers, and DMV employees out there, but that doesn't mean they are entitled to have me support them, and I don't have a lot of sympathy for anyone who makes a choice to enter into a profession that is not market supported, for whatever reason.

I'm not a fan of this video, or the kid in it. Like many others, he seems to expect that he will be given an education, and blames his teacher for not giving it to him in the manner he feels he's entitled to receive it. It's not an attitude that will serve him well in the world, and his histrionic temper tantrum is more embarrassing than inspirational.

Impotent fulmination is impotent.
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And you really think this kid has a choice? He spends 8 hours in school and probably several hours at home doing schoolwork. Add in time to eat and sleep, and there isn't much time left to make lofty statements about the difference between education and learning. This kid is relegated to a cesspool of inertia and apathy. He has every right to speak out but 99.99% of kids in his position never do.

Again, unless you came from this kind of environment and found a way out, it's very hard to truly understand.
 
brandonbaker said:
Again, unless you came from this kind of environment and found a way out, it's very hard to truly understand.
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Found a way out from what?

From not doing something I didn't want to do?

I did.

Or are you saying that it's harder to stop attending an inner city school than it is to stop attending a school in the 'burbs?
 
IceToEskimos said:
Like many others, he seems to expect that he will be given an education, and blames his teacher for not giving it to him in the manner he feels he's entitled to receive it.
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Under the current system he technically is entitled. He is

a) Required to be in school until a certain age.
b) Receiving the benefit of taxes paid by his parents and future taxes he will pay.

Did I enjoy watching it? No. I think that entitlement mentality is crippling and ill prepares the "entitled" for real life but I also think it is an understandable and nearly justifiable side effect of a government that is hell bent on protecting it's citizens from their own free will.

If I have to pay taxes, if my children are required to be in school and that school is funded by the taxes that I pay then I am going to treat it like any other place where I spend my hard-earned money.. I'll expect good service. I wouldn't put up with a mechanic/waitress/sales clerk that was "phoning it in"... not on my dime.

Anyways not my problem anymore, in Mexico public schools are far from free, my kids go to private school where I get to stipulate exactly what I expect in terms of quality of education. If they don't deliver I take my kids and money elsewhere, now there is an incentive.

Edit: Hopefully this kid's parents will do their job which is in my opinion of greater impact than any formal education could be.
 
IceToEskimos said:
Found a way out from what?

From not doing something I didn't want to do?

I did.

Or are you saying that it's harder to stop attending an inner city school than it is to stop attending a school in the 'burbs?
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What I'm saying is that this kid's parents probably don't have the money to enroll him in a higher quality school (likely a private school) and because of the proximity system in the States where you can only attend the public school in your geographic area, this kid is pretty much stuck.

What recourse does this kid really have? I admit I'm biased because I see a lot of my old self in this kid and I've gone on plenty of tirades to apathetic ears as well.

The public school system is broken, and what we have here is a kid stuck in it with no way out.
 
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