Let me drop a grenade in the room
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"Dey tuk er jerbs!"
If it can be carried out in a lawful manner (which I suspect it will be, since everyone is watching and waiting for a mistake to be made, and I'm sure that a mistake will cost the state dearly in legal fees), more power to them. What's missing is a good way to go after employers of illegal immigrants, which of course help to perpetuate the cycle.
If it can be carried out in a lawful manner (which I suspect it will be, since everyone is watching and waiting for a mistake to be made, and I'm sure that a mistake will cost the state dearly in legal fees), more power to them. What's missing is a good way to go after employers of illegal immigrants, which of course help to perpetuate the cycle.
It isnt as intrusive as the press makes it sound. All it does is gives cops the right to ask you if oyu are here legally.
Why is it that a cop can arrest you for illegal drugs, but it is unconceivable that they arrest some one who is here illegally.
I think it is a good bill.
Why is it that a cop can arrest you for illegal drugs, but it is unconceivable that they arrest some one who is here illegally.
I think it is a good bill.
True. Anyone see the beloved intelligent Al Sharpton on the news tonight? He has a way of twisting everything to be racial profiling. He said a police officer can just stop a Hispanic looking man and ask if hes illegal or not. Anyone who knows anything can obviously tell this is bullshit and its people like Al who get misinformed people all rhiled up.
I haven't read the bill, but it interests me how the state plans to define probable cause in this context.
If the bill only allows the local police to act on this in conjunction with other violations, then it sounds reasonable. (Although transferring some of the federal government's duties to local government might have some unintended consequences later on.)
If you are speeding, got pulled over for speeding, failed to produce driver's license, got arrested and processed for driving without a license, then if you fail to produce any kind of identification the local police transfers you to the immigration services' custody. That sounds pretty good.
But if the bill allows officers to detain anyone walking in the street simply because they can't prove they are in the country legally, then it's flat out racist no matter how you look at it.
If the bill only allows the local police to act on this in conjunction with other violations, then it sounds reasonable. (Although transferring some of the federal government's duties to local government might have some unintended consequences later on.)
If you are speeding, got pulled over for speeding, failed to produce driver's license, got arrested and processed for driving without a license, then if you fail to produce any kind of identification the local police transfers you to the immigration services' custody. That sounds pretty good.
But if the bill allows officers to detain anyone walking in the street simply because they can't prove they are in the country legally, then it's flat out racist no matter how you look at it.
mgrunin is Russian. As for me I do not care. I was born in the US legally and live in the Hispanic state. I guess Arizona will behind architecturally since there will be no Hispanics to build these buildings. Who is going to repair roofs, work at fast food at the most random times, clean houses, and mow lawns? Definitely not the white and black people of America.
How is that racist? If you can't prove you are here legally you should be detained. That's not racist. Do you expect to be able to trespass on other peoples' property or enter other countries illegally and not be detained/killed/other consequences?
It's racist based on the assumption that the people that will get targeted are the non whites. Therefore racist. If the enforcement agencies intend to card as many whites as they do non whites then it would not be racist (at least in hypothetical implementation)
One other thing. Americans are like blessed ignorant children when it comes to bribes. Most Americans only seen the act of bribing on TV.
As a result, bribing on the street level is almost nonexistent.
I imagine an average cop can only say "no" to a bribe from illegal immigrants a limited number of times before actually caving in and "taking a fifty" to look the other way.
And once they realize just how easy it is to take bribes, there isn't a force strong enough in the world to stop the habit. It will spread really quickly regardless of the internal affairs' efforts, cameras, complaints, etc.
Then, it could spill onto other areas of police work, and then further into society.
As a result, bribing on the street level is almost nonexistent.
I imagine an average cop can only say "no" to a bribe from illegal immigrants a limited number of times before actually caving in and "taking a fifty" to look the other way.
And once they realize just how easy it is to take bribes, there isn't a force strong enough in the world to stop the habit. It will spread really quickly regardless of the internal affairs' efforts, cameras, complaints, etc.
Then, it could spill onto other areas of police work, and then further into society.
I assumed he meant if you were walking down the street and got stopped for some other reason. I don't think anyone believes that the cops are actually just going to walk down the street and grab every Mexican they can and ask for ID ...
This is how:
Unless you require cops to stop people in the street and check ID's in a strictly random manner, it is racial profiling. Of course, doing it in a random manner is a gigantic waste of resources. So almost by definition, the implementation of the bill will rely on (racial) profiling.
If they have other reasons to stop someone then it's all fair game. It's actually amazing why cops everywhere haven't been doing it before.
I'm talking about probable cause for this bill alone in a vacuum.
If a cop smells weed in your car -- that's probable cause.
If you can't walk straight -- that's probable cause.
And so on.
But with not being a legal resident or a citizen, how do you define probable cause?
"He didn't look like one of us?"
Which part? That people from other countries don't have a "mental block" when contemplating offering a bribe?
Or that one of the great things about the states is the fact that the society isn't as corrupted at the middle class level?