Actually, it REQUIRES them to check if they have a hunch.
Not saying i disagree with the bill, just pointing that out.
Let me drop a grenade in the room
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Actually, it REQUIRES them to check if they have a hunch.
Not saying i disagree with the bill, just pointing that out.
The part that it will spread and take over all society as we know it. Unless I misunderstood, of course.
(BTW the reason that bribes are so prevalent in other countries (i.e. Mexico) is because police officers there don't get paid shit)
I think we need to realize there is a difference racism (hatred or intolerance of another race or other races) and profiling (the use of specific characteristics, as race or age, to make generalizations about a person, as whether he or she may be engaged in illegal activity) especially when profiling is backed up by strong statistics. Can't argue with statistics....
OK, you think it won't? What would make it stop?
Once cops in Arizona start taking bribes, the whites will start bribing them for other shit, like driving drunk. Then, the shit will spread to other public servants and to other regions.
I'm not saying that's how it will go. But it might.
The only reason that the hispanics are pissed is because NOW they will get caught. I have a dark complection and I have been stopped in EVERY "random" ICE checkpoint on I-40 that I have went through (about 4 of them). I never once got pissed because they were stopping me because the color of my skin. They were there to try and catch illegal aliens. Who the fuck are they going to stop some blonde hair blue eyed person?? The illegals in this country (the ovewhelming majority) are dark skinned individuals. This is common sense not racial profiling.
I didn't get mad because I am a legal, law abiding citizen. The only people pissed about this new law are the felons that are worried about getting caught breaking the damn law.
I didn't get mad because I am a legal, law abiding citizen. The only people pissed about this new law are the felons that are worried about getting caught breaking the damn law.
why dont the whities just bribe them now for DUI and shit? Your even farther out on the limb than usual on this one.
It's a matter of effectiveness.
Profiling is effective in most part in everything, no doubt about it.
But if some approach is effective, doesn't mean it should be adopted.
If every person was required to have a tracking chip embedded into them that also recorded audio and transferred data to your "designated police district", then crime would be virtually eliminated. But would such society be free? Would you support such method because it's effective?
It's probably gonna be like at the airport, where they ask everyone checking in 2 or 3 questions. Whenever someone gets pulled over, it'll be standard "where were you born?" and "has your car been out of your control at any time today?", "are you transporting anyone (in the trunk) who has entered the country illegally?"
Because they are afraid of getting locked up for offering a bribe. And that is because most cops don't take bribes.
LOL. If this isn't racial profiling, then can you please define what racial profiling is? I would love to hear it.
That's a fallacy. It the "wrongness" of it has been shown in many parts of the world.
People don't take bribes because they aren't making enough. They justify doing so with that reason, but that's not what causes it.
What causes it is the lack of control by those who are supposed to be policing the police. That happens because those people also take bribes in turn. So a cop that gets busted by internal investigations team bribes them to look the other way, just like people bribe the cop to look the other way.
The analogy is not equal...
For an immigrant that was allowed to come to our country to pursue opportunity, that may come with added responsibility to help protect the citizens of this country by proving that said immigrant is allowed to be here. We gave them an opportunity. The tax payers pay for the bureaucracies that allow them to come. I don't see a problem with asking them to help fight a major problem by carrying papers. If they don't think it's a fair trade for the opportunity they are given they can leave.
To make your analogy apples to apples, if the person in your analogy had the ability to ask to be created by the society he lives in (i.e. deciding to immigrate) and then the society said that he needed to carry proof that he asked to be created, then, yes, that would be fair of that society to ask of that since w/o that society he could not exist in the first place.
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I realize the solution is not perfect and sucks, and if it were me, i would not like it. But i also would realize that there is a huge problem and no one is doing anything to solve it. It's a state law, so if the immigrants don't like it california or new mexico are not too far away...
It's probably gonna be like this:
OFFICER: Do you speak English?
SUSPECT: <Blank look on face>
OFFICER: I said, do you speak english?
SUSPECT: <Blank look on face>
OFFICER: Hablo Eglase?
SUSPECT: Si
OFFICER: Can i see your papers....
I don't argue with that. But the question is about probably cause.
It's about "carrying proof" vs. "having the right to ask for that proof". Those are two different things.
How would a police officer know who to check without resorting to profiling?
Immigrants pay for the bureaucracies of the immigration services. You might want to check the fees for various immigration forms. I'm sure INS banks more than any other government agency (except maybe for the IRS with taxes and CIA with illegal drug trade).
if anything the thing that pisses me off are the dumb ass mexican protestors. everytime these idiots walk around protesting anything to do with illegal immigration. They think that its ok for people to come across the boarder and live here illegally and live off our benefits because thats how their parents did it.
Fuck any mexican that think like this. I wish we could deport all of them.
Fuck any mexican that think like this. I wish we could deport all of them.
Probable cause for checking to see if someone is here illegally:
1.) The 24 mexicans outside the homedepot looking for work for the day. Good chance they are here illegally.
2.) 19 mexicans living in a 2 bedroom house. Probably illegals.
3.) Walking out of the perdue factory. Probably an illegal.
4.) Working on a farm. Probably illegal.
I'm all for civil liberties, protection of personal freedoms. But with that comes a responsibility. Pull me over and ask me for ID. No problem. I can produce it because I am a responsible LEGAL citizen. Try and search my car with out probable cause or a warrant and I'll lose my mind. I don't do drugs, and there is nothing in my car to worry about. But as a citizen I have rights... and the responsibility of respecting the law.
The political correct bullshit is silly. It's not violating your freedom to ask you for ID.... if it is my bank and the movie rental place have just buggered the shit out of my rights.
Personally I don't care if work visa/temp workers are here. I don't want to work at the chicken factory - in fact it's one of the few things I can think of that I would let my family starve and eat them myself before I did it. I grew up on a farm (that I do believe had some illegals working there occasionally).... nice folks. I'm glad they are there doing it - because again, I don't want to do it.
(*hard work - shit pay - but about 1000 percent better than a chicken processing plant)
I don't seem to remember the part of our constitution that says mexicans or canadians have the same rights in the U.S. as I do. I have been drinking so maybe i missed it.
1.) The 24 mexicans outside the homedepot looking for work for the day. Good chance they are here illegally.
2.) 19 mexicans living in a 2 bedroom house. Probably illegals.
3.) Walking out of the perdue factory. Probably an illegal.
4.) Working on a farm. Probably illegal.
I'm all for civil liberties, protection of personal freedoms. But with that comes a responsibility. Pull me over and ask me for ID. No problem. I can produce it because I am a responsible LEGAL citizen. Try and search my car with out probable cause or a warrant and I'll lose my mind. I don't do drugs, and there is nothing in my car to worry about. But as a citizen I have rights... and the responsibility of respecting the law.
The political correct bullshit is silly. It's not violating your freedom to ask you for ID.... if it is my bank and the movie rental place have just buggered the shit out of my rights.
Personally I don't care if work visa/temp workers are here. I don't want to work at the chicken factory - in fact it's one of the few things I can think of that I would let my family starve and eat them myself before I did it. I grew up on a farm (that I do believe had some illegals working there occasionally).... nice folks. I'm glad they are there doing it - because again, I don't want to do it.
(*hard work - shit pay - but about 1000 percent better than a chicken processing plant)
I don't seem to remember the part of our constitution that says mexicans or canadians have the same rights in the U.S. as I do. I have been drinking so maybe i missed it.
Just watched Food Inc tonight, crazy stuff...
But much of the blame goes to the big companies as well...
Check the 14th amendment.
Here is a quote for you:
Unless they decided to use "person" instead of "citizen" midsentence on the advice of their in-house creative writer who bitched about how uncool it is to repeat the same term too frequently, I would say that yes, Canadians and Mexicans (and everyone else) have the same rights as Americans. Except for the cases outlined separately, such as voting.
But more importantly, you are still missing the point. How would one find out if a person isn't a US citizen without asking for proof first? And if you ask for proof of citizenship, then what's the probable cause?