Exactly. I didn't read this before I posted. Getting in a bad habit of doing that lately.
Looks Like Popeye finally made it to NYC...
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Yea...I have decided to give up on Shep Smith and Major Garrett and start getting my news from the Daily Show.
I want to be one of the cool kids.
I've lived all over the US and been heavily involved in various ethnic communities across the socioeconomic ladder and I've never seen or felt this attitude at all. There is always a question of whether race was a motivating factor when a white individual commits a crime against a minority, and sometimes it does become a public outcry, but it not something that happens all the time.
White people may FEEL the pressure of the racist label on them 24/7, which sounds like what you are feeling. It's more perception than reality though.
Which brings us to the sociological issue. Crimes committed by whites have as much of a sociological element as crimes committed by blacks. There is no delineation and there shouldn't be.
Let me tell you what I've seen in my experience: From a cultural perspective, whites, especially older, conservative and culturally rigid whites generally feel more threatened by encroaching minorities that "pollute white culture" than other minorities feel about whites. They don't relate well to foreign accents, don't like soccer, cinco de mayo, etc.
It's no surprise then that they are more likely to lash out when they see minorities having more children, moving around the country and slowly increasing in population and power around them. The hate crime statistic just reflects that.
It doesn't mean white people are bad, or that all whites are racist. I don't see why that is such a difficult thing to accept.
I'd suggest you look into the legal definition of hate crimes, how they are proven in court, the criteria involved and frankly realize that hate crimes prosecutions are not easy at all, and require a LOT of evidence.
It's not nearly as easy or flippant as people make it out to be. And frankly, whites should have an advantage when it comes to proving a hate crime considering they generally have better legal access.
I really think one has to understand minorities and their experience before claiming that racism doesn't exist, or hate crimes don't exist.
Why? The fact that people always question whether race plays a part in a crime when white people commit it, is in fact racist by definition. People should be treated the same, regardless of race.
I think it's a response to the way mainstream media handles the issue. You just said that "There is always a question of whether race was a motivating factor when a white individual commits a crime against a minority", perhaps that might be why they (not me, because I don't have any "white guilt") FEEL the pressure of the racist label. How can you say it's more perception than reality when you just acknowledged that thought it always there?
Agreed.
Just had to quote these generalizations for laughs. How ironic, someone complaining about racism, making race-based generalizations.
You keep bringing up how difficult it is to prove in court, as if we're disagreeing on that. Where have I argued otherwise? We're talking about accusations of a hate crime, not convictions. I've already said I think the concept of a hate crime is ridiculous - all crimes should be treated equally, if people are to be treated equally. To say that one victim is more important than another is ridiculous and Un-American.
That's a gross generalization, and completely incorrect. I hope you meant rich people have better access - because all that maters in the judicial system is money. Since there are more poor white people in this country than poor minorities (US Census Bureau figures), that leaves a large population of poor white people with little legal access. I spent 7 years in prison for something I would have gotten probation for if I'd had money when I was younger. I'm as white as the driven snow, so you'll never run that bullshit past me about white people catching breaks in the legal system. At one time, it may have been true, but we're long past that point, believe me. Money buys justice, not skin color - never forget that.
Dafuck? Who said racism doesn't exist? You're reading into things a wee bit don't you think? Racism exists on all sides, and it will never go away - who cares? As long as we keep institutional racism away, everybody has equal rights and opportunities. If someone still doesn't like you, tell them to fuck off and don't deal with them. That's all I ever did, and it served me well for the most part. If I got my feelings hurt every time a black person didn't like me, or treated me different because of my skin color, I would never have gotten where I am today. Very few people have the power to affect your life if you don't let them.
Now that you've mentioned it, I am curious what your take is on this.
What example would you give as a "real world experience" one might watch on FOX? And why you keep generalizing the network as something continuously spoon feeding lies to an unsuspecting 'middle class suburbia' public.
You could beat around the bush all day if I gave you the opportunity. But the issue isn't about hate crimes.
The issue is about conservatives marginalizing the experiences of non-whites. Whether it's because of skin color, race, culture, ethnicity, religion, way of dressing or habits, it happens all the time, just like it's happening in this thread.
If it was a little white girl who was molested, or a white woman who was raped, or a white man who was slashed by a minority, we would see conservatives marching in the streets.
But since it's a brown-skinned Muslim cabbie, we'd rather talk about hate crimes and how they unfairly target whites. After all, every story is really about suffering whites, isn't it?
When it goes from being about whites to being about people, including the experience of minorities, conservatism will start to be taken seriously.
I'm tired of reading your drivel. That's why I'm finally calling you out on this and calling for examples. Prove this is as disturbing of a trend/problem as you are making it out to be or GTFO. Prove to me how conservatives are racist bastards... PLEASE.
Conservatives are racist bastards? What a sweeping generalization.
Read this thread. How many people do we have talking about the victim with a shred of sympathy or empathy?
How many conservatives do we have who are desperate to abolish affirmative action, hate crime legislation?
How many of them touch themselves at the thought of desecrating the Koran or images of Mohammed, but couldn't bear the thought of standing idle while someone burned a flag or insulted Christianity?
It's like they don't know minorities exist. Or if they do exist, their issues aren't as important as the issues that whites are facing.
My post would be a lot more interesting if I talked about how whites were oppressed and subjugated by political correctness, huh?
:rasta:
He can't prove it. This whole notion that conservatives are racist is propaganda feed to the sheep by the leftest elite.
Go to any conservative bastion and find black and white kids playing in the streets together, swimming in the same public pools. You will find black and white workers punching the same clock together and going out after work for beers.
have a black person jump in a pool in Kenny Bunkport or any other liberal elite area (example of liberal elite racism Black Kids Kicked Out of Pool | Slog | The Stranger, Seattle's Only Newspaper) You will see the white bread crowd scatter. Conservative racism is kept alive by the left to ensure that they can continue to trade black votes for handouts.
My grandmother is as conservative as they get. Only watches Fox News (try to turn it to any other channel, any time of day, and get yelled at). I went to her house for the first time in a year last week and the first thing I heard her say was, "Stupid black nigger! Where's the clicker! Mute this" as they started to run a story about Obama. Don't pretend that there aren't racist conservatives who do nothing but sit around and watch Fox News all day. I'm related to one.
Yeah I think I have to agree, because you seem to just be making shit up at this point. All I've heard about on the news for the last couple days is about this guy that slashed a cabbie. If the cabbie was not Muslim, and the guy wasn't accused of asking him if he was, none of us would have ever heard about this crime. Cabbies get robbed, killed etc all the time and we never hear about it. The fact that this made national news solely because of the parties involved discounts your entire argument.
The part about missing/raped white girls is true - I generally only hear about missing blond haired, blue eyed white girls and that's not right. But why taint a valid point with such a nonsensical argument about everything else?
When did we start talking about the media? We're talking about conservatives. Fuck what the media is saying. Maddow and Jon Stewart don't speak for you or me, they speak for their careers and their bank accounts. Same with Beck and Limbaugh.
A conservative who compensates for the media's minority-worship by talking only about white issues and denigrating blacks, muslims, arabs and hispanics...do you realize what that looks like?
People speak for people. Conservatives speak for conservatives and libtards speak for libtards. If people in this thread are eager to sympathize with whites but not minorities, the automatic conclusion isn't "Oh, they are compensating for the media.", it's "They care more about white people than minorities."
Tell me you understand what I'm saying.
It's all starting to make sense now.
You're going to show her for dragging you to church every Sunday. It's payback time!
Yeah I get what you're saying, I guess we just disagree on whether that is a problem or not. Everybody speaks for their own causes, but only white males tend to get branded racists for doing so. I would imagine that type of "special" treatment is looked upon by whites in the same way that other "special" treatment has historically been looked upon by minorities. I don't think we should expect anyone to be happy with being treated differently, or not having their concerns taken seriously.
Equal rights means just what it says.
It goes a lot deeper than that.
The liberal institution has taken control of the narrative. The liberal narrative is coming through to people via Hollywood, scientific institutions, advertising, the media, everywhere.
Their narrative dictates that they are the ones looking out for everybody. That conservatives and whites are the oppressors while non-whites are the oppressed.
Conservatives need to make more ground, but it's never gonna happen if you alienate, insult, demean, humiliate and fight with minorities. That just reinforces what liberals have been saying all along. "Don't vote for them, they want to burn your Koran and insult your religion."
If this thread is any indication of the future of American conservatism, we're fucked.