I love the way this thing is progressing: The McCain campaign ignores the economic collapse, and thinks we're all dying to hear about the names in Obama's Rolodex.
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I have a few friends and alot of family members that are Evangelical Christians. I sure would be offended if I were judged based on their ideas and behaviors.
I'm not condoning their actions, but one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
I'm sure the British would have viewed those who fought for American independence as terrorists back then if the word "terrorist" had been around.
I'm sure the Nazis viewed the French resistance as terrorism.
Even now, they still do it - how many protesters and political activists are being monitored or even locked up in the US and elsewhere under the guise of preventing terrorism?
Then we should feel free to put morons like Ayers to death for treason. I'd be willing to pull the trigger myself. I guess that makes me a 'Freedom Fighter' too within the context of your definition.
Give me one example of when a political activist was locked up here for peaceful activism.
In the words of a wise American judge -- One Man's Terrorist is Another Person's Freedom Fighter.
So the Sons of Liberty et al were terrorists and should have been executed?
Maybe the world would be a better place if that revolution by "terrorists" had been successfully suppressed. We would have given you independence eventually, probably in the middle of last century with all the other troublesome colonies. Shame those terrorists had to get involved or my ancestors could've had another 200 years or so of milking America's resources.
If you executed someone whom you saw as a terrorist, yet others saw as a freedom fighter, that wouldn't make you a freedom fighter, rather an instrument of the very state that is being fought against.
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This sounds like what McCain's ignorant shrew is spouting, which does NOTHING to address the real concerns we're facing. At least they have the redneck yahoo vote locked up.
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So you contradict your own statement here when you refer to Ayers as a freedom fighter.
Nothing like a debate with a lib - round and round we go.
Nothing you can say will ever justify the actions of this terrible person.
No contradiction mate, one action is fighting against authority, the other action is in support of it.
I'm not justifying anyone's actions, and haven't called him a freedom fighter, just saying it's not black and white as I've tried to illustrate with America's founding "terrorists".
Can you simultaneously think that America was founded by freedom fighters taking on their oppressive rulers, yet others who take similar action against an oppressive or unjust regime are terrorists?
Have you read 1984? Sounds like doublethink to me.
Our founding fathers were defending land they believed was theirs. I know the history books have been tampered with over time but I don't recall ever reading about George Washington promoting unprovoked attacks on innocent people.
I'm still trying to find a freedom Ayers was denied. The irony is, he had many freedoms afforded him by the very country he attacked. He's no less a terrorist than Osama.
I'm still trying to find a freedom Ayers was denied. The irony is, he had many freedoms afforded him by the very country he attacked. He's no less a terrorist than Osama.
Godamn. Fuck ayers. Once again, there's no point to judging someone based on the actions of anyone other than themselves.
For fuck's sake, stop dodging the point in favor or semantic battles.
I don't recall ever reading that Obama promotes unprovoked attacks on innocent people.
But there is a point. Obama demonstrated a serious lapse in judgment when he knowingly kept dealing with the guy. How can someone like Obama be a good president when he can demonstrate such bad judgment on an issue that is crystal clear as this?
The guy is a professor of education at the University of Chicago. Hundreds of people deal with him on a daily basis, get over it.
How could anyone be a good president if they stopped associating with someone simply because a few pricks who watch fox news wanted him to.
I don't give a fuck who Obama associates with. If it were possible, I would give a negative fuck about what those people did 30 years ago.
It's a loose association between the two. What's been described happens all the time between thousands of different people in the political world. It's in passing, and that's it. It's not like he impregnated him.
imo, this is what we call "desperately grasping" on McCain's part.
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He is - THE CACTUS!
Obviously this "University of Chicago" is a terrorist organisation and needs to be burned to the ground. They house and fund a known terrorist!
Everyone in there needs to be rounded up and sent to Guantanamo for questioning of their anti-American activities! They're non-combatants, but they are the enemy after all.
Wait, it's an academic institution that promotes research and analytical thinking???
Shit, forget the napalm, better get the bunker busting nukes!
It's time for the people to start a Cultural Revolution where we get rid of all these left thinking "intellectuals"! We'll round up the kids into some sort of national Guard. Give them a nice Republican colour, like Red.
What? That was a Communist thing?
FUCK!
Everyone in there needs to be rounded up and sent to Guantanamo for questioning of their anti-American activities! They're non-combatants, but they are the enemy after all.
Wait, it's an academic institution that promotes research and analytical thinking???
Shit, forget the napalm, better get the bunker busting nukes!
It's time for the people to start a Cultural Revolution where we get rid of all these left thinking "intellectuals"! We'll round up the kids into some sort of national Guard. Give them a nice Republican colour, like Red.
What? That was a Communist thing?
FUCK!
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I'm willing to bet none of you are even of age to buy a beer yet. My observation of the political tone of the youth today disturbs me deeply. Being one who grew up during the Reagan era, I for one have lived in the absolute best of times. I had everything I ever wanted, America basked in the glory of power and prosperity. Had any of you been born during my time, you would clearly see the danger in the liberal agenda.
However, who am I to say it truly is danger? It's just my opinion. I can only say what I have seen, what I now see, and what I personally predict the final outcome will be.
For the sake of yours and your children's future well being, I sure hope I am wrong about all of this.
I'm willing to bet none of you are even of age to buy a beer yet. My observation of the political tone of the youth today disturbs me deeply. Being one who grew up during the Reagan era, I for one have lived in the absolute best of times. I had everything I ever wanted, America basked in the glory of power and prosperity. Had any of you been born during my time, you would clearly see the danger in the liberal agenda.
However, who am I to say it truly is danger? It's just my opinion. I can only say what I have seen, what I now see, and what I personally predict the final outcome will be.
For the sake of yours and your children's future well being, I sure hope I am wrong about all of this.
My drivers license says you're wrong.
Ok, as much as I respect your opinion, assuming that just because someone is liberal they must be too young to know any better is just fucking retarded.
In fact, I don't see how you can say how dangerous the "liberal agenda" is and look back at the last 8 years and tell me that 4 more isn't just as dangerous.
But like you said, this is all just opinion. Chances are both of us will be mostly wrong on what the future will bring. My money is on Bush declaring martial law to keep power
My money is on Bush declaring martial law to keep power
You're kidding us right?
I refuse to go into a convoluted class on the liberal agenda, you'll just have to understand what I am saying.
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