Making money with government transactions/data - $100k+ possible

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techustle

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I feel like sharing with everyone a business model that seems to work and gets traffic very easily.

Background: I used to work for a national company that did government web applications. The model was we would build the applications for free and then skim of the top from each transaction processed. So if the gov fee was $10 we would make $1 for every transaction. We did a mixture of free and fee based web applications. The model worked very well except that we got stuck doing lame web apps as well as cool ones. I saw that if we could just focus on money making apps not be bound to do crappy apps we would be rich. The national company I worked for was operating at the state and county level and normally got contracts with mid-level states. Never big states California for example.

First things first you need to do some research. You need to research and find out what web apps your local govt currently provides online and what electronic data do they make available to the public. If you are lucky you will find that some governemnet (state and local) agencies have electronic data but only sell it on CD/DVD. They do it this way because they are risk adverse. Another side benefit is the govt will sell data for cheap since it is consider to be really public data so they only charge for the processing of the electronic file and media that it is on.

So what are the idears (<- from OCC)?
1- Locate your local Unclaimed Property department. Unclaimed property is property that someone forgot about and that a bank or company turned into the Unclaimed Property Dept. Sometimes there are some big amounts that go unclaimed due to the sudden death of the owner.

Approach the Unclaimed property department and see if they have the data in electronic format and that they do not have an online search app. If they do have data but no web search app then great. Ask for the data.

If they do have a web search app ask them if they are able to provide you with paper records or electronic data of unclaimed property worth more than $10k. Another option is to suck it off of there web search app.

You can do a few things with this data:
A) Put it on the web and allow people to search it but not get all the needed information. You would set-up a subscription service for access to the data or just sell per record access. Subscription service is easier so people can't complain about incomplete records.
B) Put is on the web and allow people to search and see the entire record. You can sell advertising on the web app you built due to the traffic your data create.
C) This option can be done regardless of the two above. This where you need the records that have unclaimed property worth more than a few thousands. I would suggest $10k as a threshold. Get those records and research and find the individual listed on the record. Sometimes you will need to find out who the family was by looking in the obituries of the local newspaper for the individual listed on the unclaimed property record. Start looking in the obituries around the date of the unclaimed property and then work backwards to about a year. You should be able to locate the next of kin very easily. Once you locate the individual you can contact them and tell them that you have some info for them that is worth XXXX amount. And that you would love to help them get it for a small fee (typically 10%). You will need to be sure to not tell them exactly what the info is and how to get it until they sign your processing contract agreement. Once that is signed you will need to file the unclaimed property forms and get signatures/data from the next of kin or owner. You can figure out the rest as you will need to be in the loop. To help in the sale of the idea I would suggest saying that 20% of your 10% fee goes to a popular local charity. People will feel better knowing that you are doing this for a good cause and giving back to the community. Another option is to set-up a non-profit and do this stuff.

So that is idear number one. I will continue to add to this post other idears on using govt data and services.
 
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Thanks for sharing! It might work, but certainly requires a lot of effort before we see any return. :)
 
This is a great idea... thank you for sharing.
My local unclaimed property department has no web interface. =]
 
Interesting. There's a lot of unclaimed life insurance benefits floating around in my state. I'll have to look into this.
 
Along these lines

Concerning government data...

Create a directory that is a central repository for any and all statistics available on a local, state, and federal level.

It sounds boring, but it's a strong need out there. It's really hard for researchers, economists, and journalists to muddle around government websites to find the statistics that we're looking for.

This is a niche with some serious potential, and it actually contributes to a social need (as opposed to dating and ringtones...).

Example: I wanted to find the correlation between GDP growth and border arrests, to see if anti-immigrant sentiment lead or lagged a recession. The data is out there, it's just a bitch to find.

I'd do this, but I'm bogged down with other work.I'm guessing that none of you will do this, I'll come back in 6 months and show the results.
 
Thanks for sharing! It might work, but certainly requires a lot of effort before we see any return. :)

Don't worry. I'm sure if you sit there and stare at a wall for long enough the money will just start flowing into your bank account.
 
Time for more idears.

Idear #2:

Every state or county licenses professionals and usually keep track of complaints against licensees. This data is usually in some sort of database but is usually not exposed to the web. Unless you live in a major state or county/cite area. You can take this data and drop it into a database. Build a few search forms to hit the database and them boom you got a professional licensee search database. You can do a few things with it:
1-Sell access to it
2-Sell a service to licensee's where they get a contact form include on their license data page. As well as selling ranking spots in the database. The more $$$ you charge the higher they rank in their licensed niche.
3-Get traffic and sell advertising on the pages or google adsense it.
4-Combine the Complaints Database and Professional License Database into one database and then resell the data as a set to businesses and other interested parties. Choicepoint is one company interested in this kind of data. Remember you are not selling the data per se but the service to combine the two data sets and/or the electronic service (usually FTP).

Idear #3:
Is similar to Idear#2 as now you will get the registered business data from your business registration local govt agency. You can do any combo of the ideas listed idear#2. Also you can build a business name search site. Very popular site that people use for research as well as researching business names available. This is one of the easier ones to do I think. If businesses are registered at the county level you will need to go around and work with each county department. But sewing up a few counties helps your data become more valuable.

Idear #4:

This idea takes the most work but doing one with govt agency and being successful will pay dividends in the long run. As you know there are many state and county forms that are not online. The idea is to put those forms online. You need to first find out what is a popular form that is filed with your local govt. Next, you need to see if the form is online and what is the statutory fee. You are going to add a surcharge for the processing of the form. This is where you need a developer or have some basic dev skills.

You will build the HTML forms to collect the data needed to complete the paper form. Next you are going to put the data collected into a fill-able PDF copy of the State / County paper form. There are a couple tutorials online on how to do this. This next part you are going to have a few options that depend on the state/county govt wishes to work with you.

OptionA - Govt agency hates you but by law need to process your forms as long as you bring payment. This all must be done in person over the counter. So you would get orders over a 24 hour period then take those orders in to be processed.
OptionB - Fax over the forms to the local govt agency. Then submit statutory fees for the processing forms in person, by wire, or with a charge card.
OptionC - Govt department is open minded and want you to integrate directly with their system for all new forms filed. <- highly doubt you will get this option if you are just starting out doing govt stuff.


So what forms to focus on? Below are a few common ones but some of your local govts may have unique forms. Specific to your demographic area.
1-Request for replacement driver's license
2-Camping permits
3-Building permits
4-Request for a certificate of good standing
5-Business registration forms <-many online legal sites do this already
6-Business renewals
7-Professional license renewals
8-Any free state / govt forms <-Charge a nominal online fee
9-unique and specific state / county govt forms that have a fee attached to them
 
Don't worry. I'm sure if you sit there and stare at a wall for long enough the money will just start flowing into your bank account.

You mean that won't work?

"Derrrr, where is da' big red button dat I push that makes the moneyz come outta' my computer?"

I would get off my ass and get to work but I find myself mesmerized by your signature. It gives me that special feeling.

100TH POST! w00t w00t!
 
Holy motherfucking shit ass FUCK.

There's a guy in my town with over $250,000 in unclaimed shit. I'm thinking about contacting him.
 
Idear #5:

UCC. Never heard of it? Well read here for more info about it-

Uniform Commercial Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and here is an application using UCC data:

https://www.sos.nh.gov/uccegov/Default.asp

I do not have first hand experience in working with UCC as our state was unique in that UCC was done by a odd department. Anyway typically, banks and other financial insitutions conduct searches on large assets (land, farm, tractor, factory machinery, and etc.). The purpose of their searches is to see if someone else has a lien on the large asset. Since the asset is so large there could be multiple liens on it. Each lien taking a portion of the value.

So getting the data electronically and putting it in a searchable online database is the main idea. Then selling various levels of access to the data to different parties. The general public is very nosy so don't be surprised that you have a lot of general public traffic. One switchroo you can do is allow the general public to see that Jim Bob has a record. Then ask them to spend $x amount to see the record. Another option is charge all users $1 before they can search. The searches they do again could be limited and you could charge them $x amount to see the full record.

Banks can be charged a big flat subscription that allows them to do unlimited searches. So say $5k for the year.

More options to this main idear is you can allow people to file the form online and then on the back end do things similar as listed in idear #4.

Again I do not have first hand experience with this data set/application but I know many of our sister states made a big chunk of revenue from UCC data. It was one of the golden cash cows.
 
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techustle, this thread is golden but I hate to rain on your parade on that last one.... TONS of competition. Back in the 90's I was a P.I. and there are scores of Lexis-Nexis types of firms already selling this data as well as the second tier ones (1-800-USA-Search types of sites) selling access to the general public.
 
LotsOfZeros: I hear ya as I would re-package and sell the same data to eight different people for $1000 a month subscription. So that is $8000/mo for providing a FTP site. You will be surprised how much states do not want to deal with lexisnexis type companies. They rather give out DVDs then set-up FTP. So right there if you are local and get the DVDs every morning and whip them up on to a FTP site. LexisNexis and others are willing to pay just for that sevice alone.

Another angle to augment all this data together into a professional profile or business profile for the general public. Idear #6 is going to be about traffic abstracts. Stay tuned.

PS-I am not saying that all these idears are going to work but if someone was to spend less than a day researching one or two of the idears they would be surprised to find that there is a opportunity in their local area.
 
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The idear thing is from Paul sr on OCC. I am guessing it is an upper NY thing. I will try to stop.
 
techustle, keep the ideas coming, you're probably the only WF member with less than 100 posts I have ever seen contribute so many thought provoking angles

..... kick ass man, adding you to my buddy list (and that's not a gay thing..... seriously)
 
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