Mastercard & Visa are Going to Start Banning VPN's

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At this point it’s unclear why the two companies are taking a stand against anonymizing services. It seems likely that an industry or authority has been pushing for the policy change behind the scenes. However, with privacy high on the agenda with the PRISM scandal, the move comes at an odd time.
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Mastercard and Visa Start Banning VPN Providers | TorrentFreak

Hard to keep track of all the dick's getting shoved in us lately.
 


the proper way to get secure VPN:
1. buy dedi without CC or at least not urs
2. install VPN
3. enjoy

if u buy VPN with ur own CC u better not buy it at all.
 
At this point for one to even consider the fact that we as a society are not completely and unilaterally dominated by a small group of people working to ensure that we are all slaves should be considered a mental disorder.

Actually, no. I'm sure MasterCard and VISA have been planning this for quite some time and my claims are clearly grounded in abstract opinion and anyone who considers themselves an intellectual or a patriot should reject all of my claims considering that harboring terrorist thoughts is a criminal offense punishable by indefinite detention.

God Bless America.
 
Hostgator suspended my new act when I reg my snuggie hosting this week because I did the transaction w a (but then did a ph verification w/ my "fake details" VPN. Earlier in the week I had another site refuse service to my VPN. And google requires constant captcha when searching w a VPN. Fuckem all I'm taking my privacy back. If visa won't allow it I will use cash. Fuckem all
 
If only Lukep were here now...

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Just hear the phrase on a VPN ad talking about how their VPN has "ip cloaking". Anyone know if that's some additional possibility w a VPN? Or just there way of dumbing it down?
 
dmnEPC said:
Just hear the phrase on a VPN ad talking about how their VPN has "ip cloaking". Anyone know if that's some additional possibility w a VPN? Or just there way of dumbing it down?
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They're just dumbing it down for retards who are obsessed with conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job, sandy hook, etc.
 
bluechinagroup said:
They're just dumbing it down for retards who are obsessed with conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job, sandy hook, etc.
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That's to bad it would be nice to have a cloaked VPN ip to sanitize it and give the illusion of a normal ip.


Btw don't forget Boston.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Hard to keep track of all the dick's getting shoved in us lately.
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To be honest, they're just doing their job, and probably doing what any of us would in their position. I'm sure VISA & MC are getting pretty tired of the amount of online credit card fraud going on, and need to do something about it.

PS. Not aimed at you UG, but just in general. You're not allowed to complain the government places too many regulations on companies, then turn around and bitch about how a company conducts its operations. That's called being a hypocrite. :)
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
To be honest, they're just doing their job, and probably doing what any of us would in their position. I'm sure VISA & MC are getting pretty tired of the amount of online credit card fraud going on, and need to do something about it.

PS. Not aimed at you UG, but just in general. You're not allowed to complain the government places too many regulations on companies, then turn around and bitch about how a company conducts its operations. That's called being a hypocrite. :)
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Do you have anything to indicate that fraud has gone up as a result of people using VPN's and that this is a measure to thwart that, or are you just giving them the benefit of the doubt?
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Do you have anything to indicate that fraud has gone up as a result of people using VPN's and that this is a measure to thwart that, or are you just giving them the benefit of the doubt?
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This is a good point. I bet fraud goes way down when you have the protection of a VPN.
 
dmnEPC said:
That's to bad it would be nice to have a cloaked VPN ip to sanitize it and give the illusion of a normal ip.


Btw don't forget Boston.
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You really have no idea what you're blabbing about as usual. You also used the wrong "to".

What exactly is a "normal" ip? All ips are normal ips. However some are owned by companies that are known to provide residential broadband service. While others are owned by companies that use them for commercial purposes within a datacenter or other commercial location. VPN ips are part of the latter grouping. TOR ips would typically be part of the former grouping since TOR is usually installed on computers which connect to the Internet via residential broadband.

Also yeah it's totally impossible to "cloak" a VPN ip and make it look like a resdential ip. Unless of couse a botnet is used, but that's illegal and the connection would be really slow; much in the same way that TOR is slow.

Any merchant (Such as host gator) that sees an order from a VPN ip will know it's not a residential ip instantly. They'll know who owns that ip, and they'll know it's not a residential broadband provider. This is pretty much fraud fighting 101 for anyone who sells products online. Host gator made the right move because a lot of people who commit credit card fraud think they're clever when they US a VPN.

Anyway I'm pro Snowden, but I hate morons who see a conspiracy everywhere, which is something you have a tendency of doing.
 
dmnEPC said:
This is a good point. I bet fraud goes way down when you have the protection of a VPN.
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Most of the orders I deal with that are from customers who hide behind a VPN are fraudulent. Every merchant will tell you this. Merchants need to protect their merchant accounts, otherwise they will lose them due to excessive chargebacks and will be banned from ever opening another merchant account due to being blacklisted on the MATCH.

Use your head please. Don't you see the logic in using a VPN when you want to hide your tracks and use a stolen credit card?

Once again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
 
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U mad bro?

Clearly when one asks a question that is an admission of not knowing what he is talking about.

It's obvious that a fraudster is going to want to hide his tracks. I was referring to was honest people using a VPN limiting the fraud from sloppy Internet habits

And could you please point me to a single instance where I am babbling about something I don't know what I'm talking about where I wasn't asking a question. I think you will find in your research a strong pattern of being correct and posts filled with predictions that came true. I was wrong that one time, but then it turned out I was right.


Last but not least. Go take that too and shove it up your snobby ass. I couldn't give a fuck what you think of my grammar.
 
dmnEPC said:
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I was referring to was honest people using a VPN limiting the fraud from sloppy Internet habits.
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What does "limiting the fraud from sloppy Internet habits" mean exactly? How is that fraud? Please explain.

dmnEPC said:
And could you please point me to a single instance where I am babbling about something I don't know what I'm talking about where I wasn't asking a question.
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Every time you open your mouth and talk about how you think XYZ was really a conspiracy.
 
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bluechinagroup said:
What does "limiting the fraud from sloppy Internet habits" mean exactly? How is that fraud? Please explain.
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Ok I was not very clear and that is my fault. When I made that statement I had 2 things in mind.

1. Honest joe is at the cafe and decides to use his VPN to order his new memory chips. This is should prevent any scammers from capturing his data (reducing fraud).

2. Companies using VPN's for there systems to create a secure connection, also to limit the likelihood of having data captured.

I completely agree with you that fraudsters use of a VPN very significant. My point was its possible if you add up all the honest users and companies using VPN's will far out weigh the fraudsters using them. I will concede this is purely conjecture( but so is your comment). If I were home I would dig up some numbers. Feel free to prove it either way. It's an interesting question.
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Every time you open your mouth and talk about how you think XYZ was really a conspiracy.[/QUOTE]
Again please cite a single instance that was not in the form of a question. I think you will be surprised what you find. You have no right to make such inflammatory remarks until you show me that example. If you do I will concede. I will give you a hint, it happened once.

To me the conspiracy stuff is not black and white. To me it's about questioning the official narrative. But I will admit I can see how my questioning this stuff can make you uncomfortable. It's scarey stuff
 
dmnEPC said:
But I will admit I can see how my questioning this stuff can make you uncomfortable. It's scarey stuff
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Uh yeah okay. I voted with my feet and left the US a long time ago.

I just hate it when people spew speculative nonsense and then "prove" themselves right via confirmation bias.

Let's take the Snowden matter for example. I believe Snowden because he's not spewing speculative nonsense. He's disclosing factual information and although it's unnerving to hear it, I'm not lashing out against him. I consider him a hero.

I also do believe that the US government through the CIA would not hesitate to murder a guy like Snowden, though now it's much harder for them to do that since Snowden is very outspoken and out of their reach.

I'd like to see more Snowdens exposing government lies, and less ignoramuses who stand on their soapbox telling us that everything is a conspiracy. Everything is not a conspiracy, but I agree that the government should not be trusted.

dmnEPC said:
1. Honest joe is at the cafe and decides to use his VPN to order his new memory chips. This is should prevent any scammers from capturing his data (reducing fraud).
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What if that internet cafe terminal has a keylogger? It's a terrible example because ordering products from an internet cafe is just bad on so many levels.

Also credit card purchases are already encrypted so using a VPN in this example is redundant and may even give you a false sense of security since you won't consider the other ways your info can get stolen.

This doesn't really strengthen your argument.

dmnEPC said:
2. Companies using VPN's for there systems to create a secure connection, also to limit the likelihood of having data captured.
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That is more about protecting privacy and sensitive corporate data from unauthorized third parties. It's not directly limiting fraud because you can still get phished.
 
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