I've been at the airport for about 12 hours due to shitty service. That plus all the rumors, news, and facts about the country are all common sense.
You don't need to go to Detroit to know you don't want to live there.
Move to Puerto Rico and pay no taxes?
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I've been at the airport for about 12 hours due to shitty service. That plus all the rumors, news, and facts about the country are all common sense.
You don't need to go to Detroit to know you don't want to live there.
What rumors, news and facts are you referring to? You mean the fact that you're just as likely to die in a car crash in the US as you are to be murdered in PR?
Seriously?? You think PR sucks because you had a bad experience at the airport and you watched some TV show about drugs? This pretty much invalidates everything you've said, and ever will say.
Dude, it's sarcasm. Chill. Why don't you move to Detroit and then tell me if it's a shitty neighborhood? You're logic is illogical.
How is it a good thing that simply living in an area is just as dangerous as the single most dangerous thing most people do every day?
Dude, it's sarcasm. Chill. Why don't you move to Detroit and then tell me if it's a shitty neighborhood? You're logic is illogical.
There are some nice neighborhoods in Detroit. Detroit is a city, not a neighborhood. I gather you never been there as well.
The point is that no sane person worries about dying in a car accident, nor do they choose not to drive or to drive less in order to reduce their risk of dying in a car accident. It sort of illustrates the absurdity of making blanket statements about crime in PR, dontcha think?
I looked it up. Puerto Rico's homicide rate is 37.4 homicides per 100,000 people. According to Wikipedia, in 2012 there were 10.691 car accident deaths per 100,000 people.
So your claim is factually inaccurate (the two numbers are not even close).
A better comparison might be El Salvador or Guatemala, both of which are countries where citizens are fleeing because they fear for their safety. They have a murder rate of 39.9 and 41.2 per 100,000, which is almost the same as the homicide rate for Puerto Rico.
Don't know how you came up with your numbers, but they're not accurate. PR had 883 homicides in 2013 (you can easily verify this), and with a population of roughly 3.6 million people that's less than 25 per 100,000.
That's less than half of what it is in Detroit or New Orleans, about the same as Atlanta and Philly, and less than many other popular US cities like Cleveland, Kansas City, Newark, Oakland, St. Louis, and your own Baltimore MD.
Imagine that, PR is actually safer than where you live (assuming your Location: is accurate)
If you look at all "violent crime", if PR was a state it would be the 19th safest. And the trend for the past 2 years is downward, not upward, so that's good too.
I don't have all my bookmarks handy as I'm on another computer, but your stat re: auto related deaths isn't accurate either. It's about 23 per 100,000.
That's less than half of what it is in Detroit or New Orleans, about the same as Atlanta and Philly, and less than many other popular US cities like Cleveland, Kansas City, Newark, Oakland, St. Louis, and your own Baltimore MD.
Imagine that, PR is actually safer than where you live (assuming your Location: is accurate)
If you look at all "violent crime", if PR was a state it would be the 19th safest. And the trend for the past 2 years is downward, not upward, so that's good too.
I don't have all my bookmarks handy as I'm on another computer, but your stat re: auto related deaths isn't accurate either. It's about 23 per 100,000.
Since you mentioned it again, to add to what I said before :
"experts generally regard cross-country comparisons of crime statistics as being characterized by methodological difficulties for the following three reasons:
- Different definitions for specific crime types in different countries
- Different levels of reporting and traditions of policing
- Different social, economic and political contexts
Compiling and Comparing International Crime Statistics
I was using the numbers for San Juan, which I was assuming you would be living in.
However, if you are not living in San Juan, then the numbers are still incredibly high (far higher than getting killed in a car accident):
Source
I live in Baltimore County, not Baltimore City. Baltimore County boasts a homicide rate of 2.3 per 100,000 residents, which means I am more than 11x more likely to get killed in Puerto Rico.
Additionally the traffic numbers I quoted are accurate since they are coming directly from the NHTSA.
TIL - Alex not only can spin text with an incredible amount of power and research, but he can use the same power to help people looking to relocate be safe.
This is a completely illogical comparison. For one thing, PR should be looked at as a state not a country for crime comparison purposes. Comparing PR to the entire overall US average is just spin to try to make PR look bad.
That would be like someone saying they'd never move to the US because the crime in Detroit is ridiculous. Believe it or not, there are "counties" in PR where crime is virtually non-existent, just like your Baltimore county.
When you state in one post that PR's homicide rate is "37.4 homicides per 100,000" then in your very next post you quote it as being 26.2, it just shows that you don't really know what you're talking about and you're just quoting the first article you come across without doing any real research, so it's pointless to continue talking about stats with you.
Believe what you want, I'm not trying to convince you of anything so you can go hate on something else. I'm just laying out the facts for people who are interested in this topic and want the real truth.
Ok, then we can compare Puerto Rico to Maryland, since they are both fairly similar in both size and area. Maryland's homicide rate is 6.3 while Puerto Rico's homicide rate is 26.2.
Since you had already established that Baltimore is a fairly dangerous city (possibly even comparable to San Juan) that indicates that the rest of Puerto Rico is incredibly dangerous compared to the rest of Maryland (or else the homicide rate for Maryland vs Puerto Rico would be very similar).
I'm citing sources and you're not. Since you've done so much research, tell me where you are planning on moving in Puerto Rico and what the crime stats are in that area.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Why would we do that? This thread isn't about PR vs. Maryland, and it makes no sense to compare them just because they're similar in size. But since you want to, here's an undeniable fact for you...
The most "dangerous" place in Maryland, Baltimore City, has a higher homicide rate than the most dangerous city in PR which is San Juan.
Spin your way out of that one!
There are places in PR where violent crime is practically non-existent, the same as there is in Maryland or anywhere else. End of story. Period.
All of these out-of-context and irrelevant comparisons are just that - irrelevant.
As for me, I'm looking at all the same relatively safe places in PR where other people just like me are looking at and moving to. I can assure you that hedge fund managers and others that make 7-10 figures aren't moving to La Perla ...
All I am saying is that Puerto Rico as a whole is undeniably more dangerous than just about anywhere in the US, and is just as dangerous as other areas where citizens are fleeing due to the crime. I'm not sure why you're back comparing San Juan to Baltimore City since I don't live in Baltimore City and you claim you don't plan on living in San Juan.
If you are ok living in a tiny enclave filled with a handful of other expats, that is fine, and I have no issues with that. Instead of just coming out and saying that, you are apologizing all over this thread for the incredibly poor state of affairs that are plaguing all of Puerto Rico and making it an overall undesirable place to live (they certainly wouldn't be offering these tax incentives if Puerto Rico was desirable on its own). And whenever I've provided sources and stats to back up what I'm saying you object to them without providing any of your own.
Aside from all these arguments about whose statistics apply to what size georgraphy and all that... after reading several expat blogs from PR, it seems pretty clear that there are obvious crime-ridden areas that everybody knows about, and most areas are just fine for anyone with common sense.
That same statement applies to alot of places I've lived -- NYC, LA, Dallas, Chicago -- and everybody who lives in these places knows how to handle that. Its not rocket science.
That same statement applies to alot of places I've lived -- NYC, LA, Dallas, Chicago -- and everybody who lives in these places knows how to handle that. Its not rocket science.
Based on your faulty logic, Florida, Nevada and Texas are undesirable because they have tax incentives to bring in people and corporations.
I'm curious, have you ever lived overseas? Heck, have you ever lived outside of Baltimore or wherever you're from?
This is just plain ignorant. People may flee certain areas of a state or country, but they don't generally flee entire states or countries. If what you're implying above was true at face value, people would be fleeing all of Maryland because of Baltimore city, or fleeing all of Michigan because of Detroit. Pure ignorance.
And if you actually knew what you're talking about you'd know that the majority of people "fleeing" PR are doing so for economic reasons, not because of the crime. More ignorance on your part.
You wanted to compare PR to Maryland, I was only giving a counter example.
Again this is just pure ignorance. It's clear you've never been there because you have no idea what you're talking about. A tiny enclave? Please.
I've spent significant time there, and have talked at length with people who've lived there for years, and if I had to pick a number off the top of my head I'd say that 80% of the island is relatively safe like most US cities.
I don't need to prove anything to you. If you cared enough you could do your own research. I'm certainly not going to do it for you. I'm not trying to sell PR to anyone. I opened this thread to share info and see if anyone else was looking at PR, not argue with haters ...