My opinion is drop it don't waste one more brain cycle. learn what you need to learn from the experience and move on. Every bit of effort you put into it is time that could be put into something more constructive. Get a minimum of 50% up front on any job always. If they won't give it move on.
Need Recourse. I'm getting fucked by a client.
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hxxp://ww*w.ro*be*rtr*inger.com/T*BI.p*hpI've read this type of scenario on many forums. Poor designers getting fucked by tightwads.
I know this one chick who redesigned a site for two old ladies. Their old site was loosing 20k a week because something was wrong with the cart system.... but you know... their old and don't know these things.
Long story short, they used one of the old ladies computers to view the work they did, they didn't pay, and one of their grandsons scraped the cache files and (poorly) pieced it back together.
Anyways, if there are any people here that know how to write software, then you got your next big winner -
Write some software that will allow a designer to log into a host, and stream the necessary information to any computer they happen to be in front of. This way they can show the client the work they did, in any location, and NO files will be cached.
For website design, you'll need something that can stream the entire site, in it's full glory, AND it must somehow be functional.
A system like this would allow all designers to keep everything on THEIR servers. If the client is really 'wowed' by it, then they just gotta pay the bill before everything is uploaded to their host.
During this whole thing, designers need to keep in mind only one thing... DON'T tell them how you created their 'product'. Just smile and say "Meh... I've got a few tools"
Certainly, you're going to lose some customers, but at least you won't have your work blatantly stolen from you, and they won't be able to tell their 8 year old how you did it.
I know this one chick who redesigned a site for two old ladies. Their old site was loosing 20k a week because something was wrong with the cart system.... but you know... their old and don't know these things.
Long story short, they used one of the old ladies computers to view the work they did, they didn't pay, and one of their grandsons scraped the cache files and (poorly) pieced it back together.
Anyways, if there are any people here that know how to write software, then you got your next big winner -
Write some software that will allow a designer to log into a host, and stream the necessary information to any computer they happen to be in front of. This way they can show the client the work they did, in any location, and NO files will be cached.
For website design, you'll need something that can stream the entire site, in it's full glory, AND it must somehow be functional.
A system like this would allow all designers to keep everything on THEIR servers. If the client is really 'wowed' by it, then they just gotta pay the bill before everything is uploaded to their host.
During this whole thing, designers need to keep in mind only one thing... DON'T tell them how you created their 'product'. Just smile and say "Meh... I've got a few tools"
Certainly, you're going to lose some customers, but at least you won't have your work blatantly stolen from you, and they won't be able to tell their 8 year old how you did it.
I'll echo the sentiments that I agree with from above:
1) Never enter into a business transaction with friends.
3) Tell your roommate to go fuck himself. He's playing both sides of the fence.
4) Small claims court. No lawyers, no nothing. Scrape up all the evidence you have and take them to court. You win, great. You lose, fuck it; it cost you an afternoon.
1) Never enter into a business transaction with friends.
(One exception: If you are doing the work for free. Which I have done before to help them out.)
2) Get a contract signed. Don't feel funny about asking them to sign. It protects them just as much as it does you. If they balk, walk away. Politely. They can't really badmouth you for wanting them to sign a (kinda sorta) legal document asking them to pay now can they?
3) Tell your roommate to go fuck himself. He's playing both sides of the fence.
4) Small claims court. No lawyers, no nothing. Scrape up all the evidence you have and take them to court. You win, great. You lose, fuck it; it cost you an afternoon.
Make a "companysucks.com" page as mentioned above and SEO it for their prime keywords. A few months later you'll have your money, guaranteed.
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