Nelson Mandella dead - aged 95

mattseh said:
Because all governments are violent thugs, it is ok for someone else to be a violent thug?

How is it wrong for me to kill you, if I say I am inspiring change?

Go on, call me stupid.
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ok kids. time for a 3rd grade lesson on morals.

suppose you, mattseh, are a serial murderer who kills and eats 1 child a day for ur breakfast cereal (you sick fuck). i'll murder you to save the next 1000+ children you would have eaten. thus, the ends justify the means (some russian faggot said this).

i am now a hero who has saved the lives of many children my friend, while u are a pervy pedophiliac cannibal who everyone wanted murdered anyway. now blow me.
 


gbmack said:
ok kids. time for a 3rd grade lesson on morals.

suppose you, mattseh, are a serial murderer who kills and eats 1 child a day for ur breakfast cereal (you sick fuck). i'll murder you to save the next 1000+ children you would have eaten. thus, the ends justify the means (some russian faggot said this).

i am now a hero who has saved the lives of many children my friend, while u are a pervy pedophiliac cannibal who everyone wanted murdered anyway. now blow me.
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What does any of that has to do with Nelson Mandela?
 
SevenYearItch said:
Quite clearly you are an ignoramus who has, quite conveniently, ignored the fact that every government in the world has innocent blood on their hands.

That is how you achieve, maintain and expand power - more importantly, that is how you inspire change. So to single one person out as a terrorist is quite naïve.
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Good point actually.

Doesn't make Mandella a good guy though.
 
How will people remember Bush & Blair when they die do you think?

I somehow doubt they will ever face justice for their crimes.
 
microphone head said:
How will people remember Bush & Blair when they die do you think?

I somehow doubt they will ever face justice for their crimes.
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Yes. But there are a number of people in the UK that would love to get hold of Tony Blair, and I don't mean to give him a hug. Guy needs to account for a number of very significant actions against the interests of the UK.
 
mattseh said:
Although initially committed to non-violent protest, in association with the South African Communist Party he co-founded the militant Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK) in 1961, leading a bombing campaign against government targets. In 1962 he was arrested, convicted of sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the government, and sentenced to life imprisonment in the Rivonia Trial.
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Didn't George Washington lead an illegal armed insugency attack against the King's forces? And then proceeded for eight years to commit treason by trying to kill and overturn the lawful government, killing thousands as he went along? And make alliance with that dreaded enemy, France, to aid him in his nefarious cause?

And the creature is now on bank notes and with a capital named after him when he was nothing but a common law-breaker and murderer.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
 
teatree said:
Didn't George Washington lead an illegal armed insugency attack against the King's forces? And then proceeded for eight years to commit treason by trying to kill and overturn the lawful government, killing thousands as he went along? And make alliance with that dreaded enemy, France, to aid him in his nefarious cause?

And the dreadful creature is now on bank notes and with a capital named after him when he was nothing but a common law-breaker and murderer.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
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You see anyone on here worshiping Washington?
 
rusvik said:
Rip, agree or disagree with his methods, but he was a tough guy for sure. That long in prison would have destroyed lesser men.

However, there is little doubt that Mandela did not succeed in building a prosperous South Africa. It is rapidly approaching third world Zimbabwe status and the murders on white farmers have been labeled a genocide by Genocide Watch.

Too bad, like all things you grow with, I thought Mandela was perhaps actually the real deal who could show a way forward, but no, he could not or would not be a game changer. Now it is just another kind of government kicking the poor in SA.
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He was only in power for five years, and that's too short a time to make big changes (though he managed to overturn apartheid, which is a big change). Maybe he stepped down too early, but he was trying to set an example that the presidency isn't for life.

Also he was 81 when he stepped down in 1999 after five years of govt. Bit mean to diss a tired 81 year old for not staying on and doing more and having the termerity to hand on power to others. I mean, he was a good man, but he wasn't a superman nor the son of God either.
 
SevenYearItch said:
Quite clearly you are an ignoramus who has, quite conveniently, ignored the fact that every government in the world has innocent blood on their hands.

That is how you achieve, maintain and expand power - more importantly, that is how you inspire change. So to single one person out as a terrorist is quite naïve.
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What is government if not a group of individuals?

If I see Frank Cullotta on the street, I don't think to myself, "Oh no, it's the mob." I think to myself, "Oh shit, it's Cullotta."

If I hear that Obama authorized the assassination of a man, I don't think to myself, "The state is responsible." I think to myself, "Obama and every person who gave the hit order or acted upon it is responsible."
 
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teatree said:
though he managed to overturn apartheid,
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Wrong !

Everybody knows it was the Artists United Against Apartheid Sun City music video that was responsible.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlMdYpnVOGQ"]Artists United Against Apartheid - Sun City (Official Video) - YouTube[/ame]
 
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