Network Demanding I Show Referrers? Says ALL networks require it.

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Quick question for everyone here.

"Unique Leads" has written me saying that I MUST show my referrers and cannot use ANY masking. Furthermore, the AM says that every network she works with (over 700 accounts to be exact) requires that she shows the referring URL when sending traffic. She also went on to say that she would question ANY network that DOES NOT require this.

Now, maybe I'm being naive, but maybe the networks and pubs can further expand on this for me because this is CERTAINLY news to me. I've actually been told by a few networks to mask my referrers because they don't even want the accusation.

Thanks!
 


Personally, if I know and trust a pub and their quality, I give them the benefit of the doubt and let them mask their traffic. You know how I am though -- I like to know how pubs are running before they run traffic to understand what they're doing/ensure traffic will be quality traffic before hand.

If somebody is pushing traffic and is masking, we ask for more details. But we also diligently do quality checks, so traffic isn't pushed for very long before we know what's going on.

Just be careful when dealing with certain AM's. I'm sure you know that already though ;). Of course she would say to question any network that doesn't require you to show your referrers.
 
We've worked with Unique Leads for years and they're pretty straight up - whats the concern about showing your referrers? don't want landers to be ripped?

If I don't know publishers on my network, I require them to show referrers until I trust how they're sending traffic.
 
if you don't know enough to respond via personal experience that you mask your referrers on all the other networks you work with and they don't mind- even citing that standard industry software such as tracking 202 has a "cloaking" option then you aren't doing a very good job poising yourself as an affiliate that knows his shit - and if they think that you're some n00b pub then you can continue to look forward to dealing with this kind of bullshit every time you start a campaign, optimize and ramp up traffic, ask for pay bumps, negotiate wires, etc.

yet another reason to disregard female AMs 99% of those bitches get hired for their TITS and not their TALENTS
 
I agree with the majority of posts. If I have been working with you your referrals can slide. If a few red flags are raised, I expect you to show me what's up.

Quite frankly I'm too busy with everything else to even have time to go after your referrals or out your landers...that + I'm not an amoral scumbag, but hey, that's the industry we work in right?

Long & Short of it - if you're sending legit traffic you shouldn't really have to deal with this -- but if there are any red flags (and you trust your AM) you should be transparent...makes everyone rest easier.
 
iPwnNoobs said:
if you don't know enough to respond via personal experience that you mask your referrers on all the other networks you work with and they don't mind- even citing that standard industry software such as tracking 202 has a "cloaking" option then you aren't doing a very good job poising yourself as an affiliate that knows his shit - and if they think that you're some n00b pub then you can continue to look forward to dealing with this kind of bullshit every time you start a campaign, optimize and ramp up traffic, ask for pay bumps, negotiate wires, etc.

yet another reason to disregard female AMs 99% of those bitches get hired for their TITS and not their TALENTS
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I did argue with her about this. I repeatedly asked her to tell me the networks that don't allow cloaking. She refused and asked me to mention the ones that DO allow it. I was SHOCKED for obvious fucking reason.

I have NOTHING to hide when I cloak my shit, but I've gotten far too much shit jacked and for an AM to even ask me to uncloak is not just shady on her end but shows the lack of training or knowledge of this space.

Guess I should just stick with the big networks and make them get the offers I run.

Rest assured, I will no longer be running traffic with Unique Leads.
 
Black Marketer said:
Tell Unique Leads to go suck on a freshly dropped turd cos if your leads are paying out for the advertiser, there is no-legit reason they should be looking over your traffic sources. Same goes for CPATrend/PhilipShapiro.
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That's fine. My #1 goal in my network is to make sure all traffic being sent to advertisers is high quality, while making sure everything is performing well for affiliates. If I were to be blind to everything, that wouldn't be possible.
 
Tell them to fuck off. Most of these networks have internal teams that run offers. I wouldn't trust any network enough to show them my referrals
 
Black Marketer said:
Tell Unique Leads to go suck on a freshly dropped turd cos if your leads are paying out for the advertiser, there is no-legit reason they should be looking over your traffic sources. Same goes for CPATrend/PhilipShapiro.
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Wrong. If you're promoting an offer on pages with adult content, copyrighted content, etc, the affiliate, the network, and even the advertiser can all get into trouble and lose money. That's exactly why any legitimate network doesn't allow you to mask your referrers.
 
TaDoW said:
We've worked with Unique Leads for years and they're pretty straight up - whats the concern about showing your referrers? don't want landers to be ripped?

If I don't know publishers on my network, I require them to show referrers until I trust how they're sending traffic.
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This ^

UniqueLeads and Shai are legit.
 
I always cloak my stuff 100% and only once have I ever been asked to show my referrer.

Most networks don't care as long as you give them a general idea of what your traffic is (social/banner/email).
 
AMSHustla said:
we dont require showing referrers. that is your property and yours alone.
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You and every other network out there. As long as the quality backs out for the advertiser, there should be no need to show my shit.

I don't care how "legit" Shai or "Unique Leads" is, when they ask to see my referrers, something shady is going on. I've yet to be asked that with any network nor will I ever oblige.
 
The only thing they should know is what type of traffic you're sending. Other then that, if the advertiser does not request to see any ad copies and your quality is fine, fuck that network and get a better one.
 
Reminds me of a funny experience I had. Two years ago I sent several K to a network in a couple days and they started accusing me of sending traffic from a traffic source that I never touched. I provided screenshots of my advertising accounts as proof, and even offered login access to my PPC account to verify. My rep didn't even want to put in the effort to verify anything, and I was never paid. Reading this thread, my campaign info may have very well just been ripped.

This happened with a network that frequents this board. You know who you are. ;)

But yea, besides that, I have never been demanded into providing my referrals. The most intrusive I've seen networks be is just asking what type of traffic it is ex. social, email.
If you're pushing good volume to this current offer, then I would suggest changing networks since there is a good chance they may run the offer internally with your creatives. If it's small numbers, you don't have much to lose, you can keep running UNLESS your pushing traffic at a site where very little people know about. I've been in those shoes before where I had a few traffic sources that the majority of pubs did not know about so I would have never revealed them to any network for any reasons.
 
mGrunin said:
Reminds me of a funny experience I had. Two years ago I sent several K to a network in a couple days and they started accusing me of sending traffic from a traffic source that I never touched. I provided screenshots of my advertising accounts as proof, and even offered login access to my PPC account to verify. My rep didn't even want to put in the effort to verify anything, and I was never paid. Reading this thread, my campaign info may have very well just been ripped.

This happened with a network that frequents this board. You know who you are. ;)
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Out the network.
 
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