Well, you're an exception to the rule, and we all know that. Kudos to you BTW, but again, you're an exception, not the norm.
New Thread Fee in Links & SEO $122?
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Well, you're an exception to the rule, and we all know that. Kudos to you BTW, but again, you're an exception, not the norm.
I am of course not stating there are 0 services here geared towards solid long term results. There are plenty.
I am saying, the types of services we are talking about in here when we say providers doing 100k a month, 1 mill a year etc. -- these are flavor of the month spam packages. They last for a month or two and then an algo change wipes them out.
Again, these services are put together by smart members here and are great for people whose strategy is short term manipulation. I have no problem with them. I'm simply stating, currently the larger market here are people who are looking for this type of short term manipulation and providers are catering to this.
Case in point, just take a look at the sape links knock off being allowed to advertise in the banner spot. No offense to this provider, it just doesn't scream "top-level agencies get your links here on WF" to me (if that's the message we're going for).
If the goal of the BST section is to attract top-level agency people, IMO this needs to change. I at least know it's what has scared off the couple top-level agency people I know.
Simply raising prices will do nothing to affect these providers. They are making the bulk of the money on WF BST's currently.
Just stop. You posted something silly and every subsequent post has been sillier.
Let it go.
I'm late to the party, but:
If you're looking at this from the perspective that "I need to sell <X> packages to make the money back" and then your next thread the exact same concept, consider this.
If you're only selling to one person at a time, one package at a time, sure. But you'll get bulk buyers, you'll get repeat buyers, and you'll get ... wait for it ... bulk repeat buyers.
If your service isn't good enough for someone to order more than once, you need to pick something else. If the only way for them to order from you is your WF thread, you need to change that. If they have no other way to contact you than through WF (aka you don't even give them an email address), you need to change that. What happens if the person that wants to buy is a lurker?
Jon is providing the ability for you to advertise your service to a plethora of people. Not all services are for everyone, and not everyone should be purchasing certain services. Not just members, but also lurkers. Don't overlook the damn lurkers.
There are component packages (plugged into bigger ones, or ordered as needed) and there are combination/all in one packages ("buy this, we do all of the rest"). The fact of the matter is that if you're starting a thread in the BST and your goal is to only make $200, you're not doing the right shit. If you're selling and your goal is only to sell to a person one time, you're not doing the right shit.
Just so I'm clear, though - if your goal is to make $200 then chances are you're only planning on selling while the thread is alive. You don't plan on emailing previous customers, or giving them a way to order again in the future. That's the problem. If you're selling a $50 package and 10 people order, your LROI (Lifetime ROI) per person shouldn't be $50. It should be higher, unless you're just ... doing it and churning through and it's not good enough for repeat buyers or bulk buyers.
Bottom line: evaluate your goals based on your offering and go off of that. It's not just a flat "I need 10 orders to make back the $122". You outlook you need to have is "will I only make $122 off of having this thread on WF". That's it. When the thread closes, you won't have any other orders? Ever? From the people that ordered before, or otherwise?
Think about it.
Disclaimer: I usually post about the fees rising in a negative fashion if I do post at all, but here's the reality of it. It could be my perspective has changed, or what have you - but this is how I look at it. In other words, it's my 2 cents.
Oh, and no - Jon didn't edit this post or ask me to post it. It's all Bofu, baby.
If you're looking at this from the perspective that "I need to sell <X> packages to make the money back" and then your next thread the exact same concept, consider this.
If you're only selling to one person at a time, one package at a time, sure. But you'll get bulk buyers, you'll get repeat buyers, and you'll get ... wait for it ... bulk repeat buyers.
If your service isn't good enough for someone to order more than once, you need to pick something else. If the only way for them to order from you is your WF thread, you need to change that. If they have no other way to contact you than through WF (aka you don't even give them an email address), you need to change that. What happens if the person that wants to buy is a lurker?
Jon is providing the ability for you to advertise your service to a plethora of people. Not all services are for everyone, and not everyone should be purchasing certain services. Not just members, but also lurkers. Don't overlook the damn lurkers.
There are component packages (plugged into bigger ones, or ordered as needed) and there are combination/all in one packages ("buy this, we do all of the rest"). The fact of the matter is that if you're starting a thread in the BST and your goal is to only make $200, you're not doing the right shit. If you're selling and your goal is only to sell to a person one time, you're not doing the right shit.
Just so I'm clear, though - if your goal is to make $200 then chances are you're only planning on selling while the thread is alive. You don't plan on emailing previous customers, or giving them a way to order again in the future. That's the problem. If you're selling a $50 package and 10 people order, your LROI (Lifetime ROI) per person shouldn't be $50. It should be higher, unless you're just ... doing it and churning through and it's not good enough for repeat buyers or bulk buyers.
Bottom line: evaluate your goals based on your offering and go off of that. It's not just a flat "I need 10 orders to make back the $122". You outlook you need to have is "will I only make $122 off of having this thread on WF". That's it. When the thread closes, you won't have any other orders? Ever? From the people that ordered before, or otherwise?
Think about it.
Disclaimer: I usually post about the fees rising in a negative fashion if I do post at all, but here's the reality of it. It could be my perspective has changed, or what have you - but this is how I look at it. In other words, it's my 2 cents.
Oh, and no - Jon didn't edit this post or ask me to post it. It's all Bofu, baby.
From page one, I like this just for the novelty of having a section branded BS ... it will really make it fun dealing with the wankers that call it the BST
It could be $500/month and if your service doesn't suck, it'd still be the best ad spend on the internet.
Cock pics and appletinis?Welcome to WF, bro
Think about it tho, if nobody paid for threads, BST would look like your facebook feed.
There are still plenty of providers who will happily pay $250 per month to get business from wf buyers. Its not that bad still..
There's quite a few sellers here who happily pay thousands of $ in advertisements every month on other forums. In fact, they have to struggle to get a spot in reservation lists. What more can I add here. Carry on
There's quite a few sellers here who happily pay thousands of $ in advertisements every month on other forums. In fact, they have to struggle to get a spot in reservation lists. What more can I add here. Carry on
I was a day late to buy the $77 thread here, but i gladly paid $122 because i've gotten a lot of orders from here and more importantly, when i started out, i was advised on how i could become successful here and I listened! The client list that i have right now is not much, but good enough to give me steady, back to back orders. I've learned so much from all the enlightening threads that were created here, especially those from CCarter and thehobbster. It helped me better the services i provide and my own network of blogs as well. Thank you guys for that!
Its been almost a month since my first thread ended and the orders and inquiries didn't stop after the thread closed. It kept coming and i made it a point to save their contacts to follow up later and I did follow up a couple of people after which they threw in about 3-4 orders each. So yeah, as a new member and a service provider here, i believe that $122 is a fair fee, nay.. Its a great fucking fee to offer your services to people who know their shit.
Its been almost a month since my first thread ended and the orders and inquiries didn't stop after the thread closed. It kept coming and i made it a point to save their contacts to follow up later and I did follow up a couple of people after which they threw in about 3-4 orders each. So yeah, as a new member and a service provider here, i believe that $122 is a fair fee, nay.. Its a great fucking fee to offer your services to people who know their shit.
When the thread purchase rates are low, you get a lot of guys who do services as a job rather than as a business.
No offence taken. You're right, our target market is different and that's why we've promoted it in that specific way.
Enough about this shit.
It's been going on and on, like a Radio, for over a week now.
If you don't know how to make money from your business/ investments here, stop crying and go get yourself a better deal.
You can contact Grindstone on which forums will help you earn the kind of profit that you've been looking for.
If you're a WF material, you'll stick around anyways.
It's been going on and on, like a Radio, for over a week now.
If you don't know how to make money from your business/ investments here, stop crying and go get yourself a better deal.
You can contact Grindstone on which forums will help you earn the kind of profit that you've been looking for.
If you're a WF material, you'll stick around anyways.
It's simply survival of the fittest.
Price increase ruffles my feathers a bit, but I'm gonna keep paying.
Price increase ruffles my feathers a bit, but I'm gonna keep paying.
just closed my 19th thread with $122 
but it open for only 10 days instead of 15 days 
will open new thread after current work completed
but it open for only 10 days instead of 15 days will open new thread after current work completed
Every time the price rises the same talking points come up. In the beginning it was the move to a paid BST which everyone was unanimously in favor of. At that point the vast majority of cruddy services were pushed out.
Now the talking point is that increasing prices will improve the quality of what sellers offer. What nobody realizes is that the increased price won't magically make sellers invent cooler shit, it's just going to cut out another round of sellers who don't want to pay $XXX for a thread, ultimately reducing selection. This won't happen immediately so it's not immediately apparent.
I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Wickedfire is a good traffic source for selling. But as a marketer and seller here, I am constantly looking at my analytics and comparing multiple traffic sources. Sadly I imagine I am one of the few that do.
The overall service quality of BST is important to me as a buyer but as a seller its last on my list, in fact I speculate that the worse BST gets (within reason) the better it is for my business.
As a seller here I am primarily interested in the quality of buyers from WF, the conversion rate of buyers from WF, and how much per visitor I have to pay to get them. Talk of anything other than this to me is noise.
I'm still buying threads here but probably not back to back like I did before. Having a presence here still pays and I <3 WF.
And I think those folks starting out are great. That's how I started out and these kinds of people add flavor to a marketplace.
Now the talking point is that increasing prices will improve the quality of what sellers offer. What nobody realizes is that the increased price won't magically make sellers invent cooler shit, it's just going to cut out another round of sellers who don't want to pay $XXX for a thread, ultimately reducing selection. This won't happen immediately so it's not immediately apparent.
I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Wickedfire is a good traffic source for selling. But as a marketer and seller here, I am constantly looking at my analytics and comparing multiple traffic sources. Sadly I imagine I am one of the few that do.
The overall service quality of BST is important to me as a buyer but as a seller its last on my list, in fact I speculate that the worse BST gets (within reason) the better it is for my business.
As a seller here I am primarily interested in the quality of buyers from WF, the conversion rate of buyers from WF, and how much per visitor I have to pay to get them. Talk of anything other than this to me is noise.
I'm still buying threads here but probably not back to back like I did before. Having a presence here still pays and I <3 WF.
And I think those folks starting out are great. That's how I started out and these kinds of people add flavor to a marketplace.