Newt Gingrich and Ricky Perry fail to qualify for Virginia primary.



lose lose win said:
I wonder if this is some covert ant-RP tactic?
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Only if they plan on alienating an entire state for the sake of throwing the election to Ron Paul so they can say only backwards rednecks support him (not my opinion).

Kind of surprising that someone like Newt would have a problem getting 10k signatures.
 
Napolean said:
Kind of surprising that someone like Newt would have a problem getting 10k signatures.
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Yep. That's why something seems fishy about this shit. RP and the establishment candidates are almost like two separate parties. Before this, one side was separated into three leading candidates, now there is only one option in each of them. Kinda risky to think Gingrich and Perry votes could flow to Romney.
 
It was probably an issue with their campaigns in that state being disorganized. You'd like to think someone running for Pres. would have people on top of that, but then you watch them in debates and these kind of fuckups are a bit easier to understand.
 
Napolean said:
Kind of surprising that someone like Newt would have a problem getting 10k signatures.
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I dont think so, the guy is a complete moron and Romney is nothing more then a troll.

I hope to hell neither one of them get much more support other then whatever "weight" gets thrown their way as the others fold in.
 
Don't forget Gingrich was the one whose staff walked out on him for not running the campaign the way they thought it should be run. It's not too hard to believe that he had second rate help...

Just because he's pompous doesn't mean he's actually an intellectual or a historian. The guy's just been in the business for a really long time.

Perry, we all know how smart he is.

This is a dream come true for Paul and Romney supporters.
 
Well, they've said for a while that unless the vote was split Paul would have a tough time winning. This might be a bad thing in that state. Time will tell I guess.
 
music4mic said:
Well, they've said for a while that unless the vote was split Paul would have a tough time winning. This might be a bad thing in that state. Time will tell I guess.
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Why do you think this a bad thing for Ron Paul?
 
Because I've read reports (and who knows how accurate they are) that unless there is a large split, he'll have a tough time taking states. I wish I had a source, but can't remember where I read it.
 
music4mic said:
Because I've read reports (and who knows how accurate they are) that unless there is a large split, he'll have a tough time taking states. I wish I had a source, but can't remember where I read it.
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Where do you think Perry's evangelical votes are going, Romney?!

Gingrich supporters would probably be split down the middle. I think Paul might do all right in VA.
 
Watch, Ron Paul will get in, and the US will end up having slave labor camps, and everyone will be pissed off at the government, same as they were pissed off after Obama broke all of his promises.
 
Is virginia a super Tuesday state? If so then all the media coverage is around the delegate counts and it's free delegates for Paul :)
I also heard Gingrich failed to get on the Missouri ballots as well.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Watch, Ron Paul will get in, and the US will end up having slave labor camps, and everyone will be pissed off at the government, same as they were pissed off after Obama broke all of his promises.
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Ron Paul would veto any bill that would go anywhere near that. Unless of course you are talking about existing legislation that he couldn't repeal.

But if you mean Ron Paul would flip flop and turn into a tyrant. Not a chance, his main purpose for running as president is to get his principles and message out to as many people as possible. Winning the election is just the icing on the cake.
 
Napolean said:
Ron Paul would veto any bill that would go anywhere near that. Unless of course you are talking about existing legislation that he couldn't repeal.

But if you mean Ron Paul would flip flop and turn into a tyrant. Not a chance, his main purpose for running as president is to get his principles and message out to as many people as possible. Winning the election is just the icing on the cake.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Ron Paul all for the free market, capitalism, deregulation, and letting the market take care of itself? Considering the unemployment rate is so high in the US right now, the CEOs of major corporations are probably loving that message right now.

The way I view Ron Paul is the same as Obama back in 2007. Awesome message, huge expectations, then when it came time to make good on those words, everything turned worse, not better. Hopefully I'm wrong, but for some reason, I doubt. The establishment is simply too entrenched. Same guy showing up in the White House every 4 years isn't going to change a thing.
 
considering his record, I dont think you need to worry about too much about him breaking promises of what he will do unless the other powers prevent him from doing it while in office.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Ron Paul all for the free market, capitalism, deregulation, and letting the market take care of itself? Considering the unemployment rate is so high in the US right now, the CEOs of major corporations are probably loving that message right now.

The way I view Ron Paul is the same as Obama back in 2007. Awesome message, huge expectations, then when it came time to make good on those words, everything turned worse, not better. Hopefully I'm wrong, but for some reason, I doubt. The establishment is simply too entrenched. Same guy showing up in the White House every 4 years isn't going to change a thing.
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First off the only people with high expectations of Obama were the people that completely ignored his record in both the US Senate and when he was a state representative. His socialist/Marxist views were there for anyone that was willing to make a little effort to take a closer look at his history. Anyone who voted for him on the basis of his "hope an change" crap got exactly what they deserved. He gave very few specifics on what he would actually do (other than get us out of the wars), just a lot of nice sounding slogans delivered well.

Ron Paul on the other hand has a decades long voting record that you can look at that says he does exactly what he is going around the country saying he believes in. Could he possibly go against that and become a big Govt politician? Anything is possible but not likely and remember that for the most part Obama has not gone against his history just his campaign which is not the same thing. In Ron Paul's case his campaign and his history are the same which is not true of any of the other candidates. Ron Paul has also very clearly laid out his plan with specifics, something the others are not doing and other than the war something Obama did not do.


Actual capitalists like what Ron Paul is saying but most of the large corporations that are on the Govt tit do not. All the banks and other companies that either get Govt money, Govt support, or use the Govt to artificially raise barriers to entry in order to keep down the competition do not like Ron Paul as they know the gravy train will come come to huge and ugly stop for them. These are the people ( and there are a lot of them) that are trying to stop Ron Paul, they know if he gets in they will have to actually compete and they do not want to have to do that.

Would the entrenched bureaucracy and special interests be a problem for Ron Paul? Yes of course they would. Would he be able to change everything he wants to change? No of course not. The thing though is as president he would have the power to make huge changes in our present path towards a fascist police state, too many wars, out of control spending, and the Govt taking over more and more aspects of our lives. Could he make it perfect? No but he is the only one that even sees any of this as being a problem. None of the other candidates even want to change anything at all. They like the system and want to make it stronger.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Ask yourself this - If CEO's of major corporations liked him so much, why do they give all their money to Romney and Obama? Follow the money, go to OpenCongress.org and you'll get all the answers you need.
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Why goto OpenCongress.org and see who big companies are donating too? It's easier just to assume shit and spread lies.
 
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