Nine to Fivers really piss me of sometimes.
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Hmm I wonder if there is a double standard for men in this business. (which is highly ironic as the majority is men) Women who work from home are somewhat accepted because they are considerd a stay at home mom business. Although I can truely say that I have run into a few sterotypes too. Like people expect me to not seek child care because I stay at home. Hello? I work as much as you, 9-5 jobber, (probably more) where's your kid?...right at daycare.
Yep - and they will brag about how much money they made the company.... doing what they could do for themselves.
Very true...I do AM full time and as cool as it is that I'm able to sit on my couch watching tv while I work on my laptop most of the time, there's also plenty of fri/sat nights I don't sleep because I need to figure out why my conversions dropped that day. I love working for myself with nobody to listen to, but I hate having to depend purely on commission checks as my only income.
I don't think it's as much of a double standard for men working at home as much as it is people just thinking we are lazy bums playing pc games all day and somehow making $ off it...people just really don't understand our jobs. If someone I don't know so well asks what I do, I say I own a marketing company, usually that shuts them up before it even gets to the point where I tell them I work from home. Most of the shit-talking I get is from people who are closer to me...stuff like my friends bugging me to go out with them because they don't get that I might need to finish up a project on a friday night, or when my ex-gf use to come home from her 9-5 and bitch at me because our apartment wasnt clean since 'i was home all day and shouldve had time to take care of it.'
Whatever, most 9-5'ers drive me nuts too because they are so set in their ways and think our work is a joke since we are able to do it from home. I think it'd be hilarious to sit someone like that in front of a computer and tell them they have 30 days on the internet to make their rent/mortgage payment.
Exactly, eventually the guys that will work for you .. will be 9 to 5 ers 
They aren't so bad. I was one of them some months back.
They aren't so bad. I was one of them some months back.
Lmao.
I had this convo with our family photographer yesterday.. He was being so fucking obnoxious. After 20 minutes of trying to explain how ppc works I finally left the room, wrote the url to warriorforum down & told him to read the wso section.
I hope he spends his life savings on fucking ebooks.
On the subject of 9-5'ers.. I feel their pain.. I dropped out & had to start supporting myself at 15.. worked fulltime up until I was 22 (last year).. When you're slaving away 60 hours a week for 500 bucks it's hard to believe someone is making the same in a couple hours of sitting in their underwear at home.. Without something illegal involved.
I think we should all be thankful they don't think it's possible.. Well everyone but the ebook scum, I'm sure they wouldn't mind more customers =)
A couple things.
1. I'm sick of 9-5ers also, but it's not because they are 9-5ers. The 9-5ers here who got so offended, what the fuck. Do what it takes to make a living and/or what you enjoy doing. More power to you. The problem is when 9-5ers are assholes and wondering when AMs are going to get a "real job", think we are drug dealers and all that bullshit. The point is just because some people WANT to serve under others for whatever reason ( risk averse, complacent, or just fucking like what they do, whatever reason) doesnt mean that I want to or that I care to exist in your little box. Personally I work my ass off. I am working for my future and my own life. I dont always win but Id rather take the responsibility for my own losses along the way. I accept the risk for the reward.
2. never seeing sunlight? WTF? I work my ass off in AM but that doesnt mean I dont leave my house. My schedule is serious yet flexible. I'm not going to be like some ebook or mlm douch and say I live at the beach and make money while I sleep but I have a certain level of freedom. I dont have to worry about being fired if I want to spend time with my family or if I have to take my kid t the doctor or ask permission to use the bathroom or break some irrational counterproductive policy ( or any other number of things most people have to worry about). When the fuck do most 9-5ers ever see sunlight? In the winter literally never and in the summer maybe 2 hours max.
3. Employees- yeah. For most things it's so much easier outsourcing to people who know how to do a specific task and do it well, do the work, know their worth, and not complain. On the other hand there are situations where I wouldnt mind havng people work with ( not for) me in more partnership type ventures. Pretty much one extreme or the other. Rarely do I want or forsee much use for typical employees. And if/when I hire employees I do not want people with the typical employee mindset.
1. I'm sick of 9-5ers also, but it's not because they are 9-5ers. The 9-5ers here who got so offended, what the fuck. Do what it takes to make a living and/or what you enjoy doing. More power to you. The problem is when 9-5ers are assholes and wondering when AMs are going to get a "real job", think we are drug dealers and all that bullshit. The point is just because some people WANT to serve under others for whatever reason ( risk averse, complacent, or just fucking like what they do, whatever reason) doesnt mean that I want to or that I care to exist in your little box. Personally I work my ass off. I am working for my future and my own life. I dont always win but Id rather take the responsibility for my own losses along the way. I accept the risk for the reward.
2. never seeing sunlight? WTF? I work my ass off in AM but that doesnt mean I dont leave my house. My schedule is serious yet flexible. I'm not going to be like some ebook or mlm douch and say I live at the beach and make money while I sleep but I have a certain level of freedom. I dont have to worry about being fired if I want to spend time with my family or if I have to take my kid t the doctor or ask permission to use the bathroom or break some irrational counterproductive policy ( or any other number of things most people have to worry about). When the fuck do most 9-5ers ever see sunlight? In the winter literally never and in the summer maybe 2 hours max.
3. Employees- yeah. For most things it's so much easier outsourcing to people who know how to do a specific task and do it well, do the work, know their worth, and not complain. On the other hand there are situations where I wouldnt mind havng people work with ( not for) me in more partnership type ventures. Pretty much one extreme or the other. Rarely do I want or forsee much use for typical employees. And if/when I hire employees I do not want people with the typical employee mindset.
Thats what I love about forums. You always hear it from the horses mouth.
I have a few questions. Do you plan on moving form your moms basement when you make enough money? If aff marketing is not a job do you work at micky D's or Walmart to help cover the bills?
Internet marketing period is separate from a 9-5. There are pros to working 9-5s (human interaction) and cons (you give 8 hours a day of your life to an employer) just as there are pros to IM/AM (no boss; work anytime, anywhere; possibility to make more $ than at even a good 9-5) and cons (usually stuck up in a computer room all day with most social interaction in the form of typing).
My opinion: life would be pointless in my opinion if I spent it working, going to sleep, and working again to make my employer rich. This is why I run my own business and do IM. However, 9-5ers have luxury I and other entrepreneurs do not: security. They are guaranteed that paycheck by showing up at 9 and staying until 5.
Personally, I find the OPs statement that 9-5ers think their way is best to be wrong. In my experience, most people want to be business owners making bank - they just don't know how to go about doing it so they resort to a 9-5 job.
My opinion: life would be pointless in my opinion if I spent it working, going to sleep, and working again to make my employer rich. This is why I run my own business and do IM. However, 9-5ers have luxury I and other entrepreneurs do not: security. They are guaranteed that paycheck by showing up at 9 and staying until 5.
Personally, I find the OPs statement that 9-5ers think their way is best to be wrong. In my experience, most people want to be business owners making bank - they just don't know how to go about doing it so they resort to a 9-5 job.
Let them get on with it thats what i say been there and got the t-shirt and dont particularly want to go back to a 'normal' job funny how quick people jump to the drug conclusion though when they have no idea where your income is coming from.
That my friend, is a myth. An employer can make you 'redundant' anytime he wants, and theres nothing you can do about it. Working for an employer is the most unsecure thing you can do.
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