No More Homework in France!

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I shit you not... In France, the state is removing the last vestiges of parents from the educational system. :eek:

France's Hollande promises pupils

French President François Hollande pledged to ditch homework on Tuesday as part of wide-ranging reforms aimed at improving standards for over-worked French pupils, especially those in disadvantaged areas.

He potentially won the hearts of millions of future voters on Tuesday when he announced plans to abolish homework and reduce the number of pupils forced to repeat school years.
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Wow. This truly is socialism crossing the line. If this gets fully enacted, the only way to take it further is to have parents separated from children at birth, making every newborn a ward of the state...
 


Meh. The less time kids and parents have to waste on public school bullshit, the better. I do find it funny that "no homework" is a massive vote-winner, even for adults.
 
^Tell me about it... Kids don't vote... How the hell did that help sway the parental vote?

Sounds like french parents don't want to help educate their kids there at all, and basically see them as nuisances.

So depressing...
 
I didn't read it, but no homework seems positive? Wouldn't it be -less- encroachment into the lives of citizens?

I have kids, and absolutely homework is a bullshit waste of time. Kids spend 8 hours a day in school, and then they are supposed to spend 3 more hours doing homework at home? When are they supposed to be kids, and learn shit that is actually important.

Of the ~11 hours a day taken up by schooling (plus bus rides) maybe 45 minutes of actual learning goes on.

Fucking stupid, and it's why (well, one of many reasons), against everything I ever said, we ended up homeschooling our boy this year.

lukep said:
Sounds like french parents don't want to help educate their kids there at all, and basically see them as nuisances.
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This makes it sound as though you support state brainwashing, and take the position that the only way parents can show they care about the intellectual progress of their children is by participating in a purposely dysfunctional state schooling system, designed to bread flag waiving sheep.

Surely you'd like to rethink your concern of kids not bringing the state propaganda into their homes?
 
SkyFire said:
I didn't read it, but no homework seems positive? Wouldn't it be -less- encroachment into the lives of citizens?

I have kids, and absolutely homework is a bullshit waste of time. Kids spend 8 hours a day in school, and then they are supposed to spend 3 more hours doing homework at home? When are they supposed to be kids, and learn shit that is actually important.

Of the ~11 hours a day taken up by schooling (plus bus rides) maybe 45 minutes of actual learning goes on.

Fucking stupid, and it's why (well, one of many reasons), against everything I ever said, we ended up homeschooling our boy this year.



This makes it sound as though you support state brainwashing, and take the position that the only way parents can show they care about the intellectual progress of their children is by participating in a purposely dysfunctional state schooling system, designed to bread flag waiving sheep.

Surely you'd like to rethink your concern of kids not bringing the state propaganda into their homes?
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How did you come to the conclusion that removing homework is some massive socialist grab at stealing kids away from their parents? Usually I'd chalk it up to hyperliberty hyperbole but that doesn't even make sense.
 
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ohhh, brilliant...to bad i don't live in France and i finished school a while ago
 
Jesus, is it really hard to see that if a kid doesn't bring home any schoolwork, then the parent won't have a clue what's being taught there, or have a chance to correct the shitty teachings of all important subjects?

You guys know I wouldn't think twice about disbanding all public schools, but since they have to go off to learn state-approved versions of subjects like history and economics, constant parental review through bringing their work home everyday is your kid's brain's last line of defense!
 
lukep said:
Jesus, is it really hard to see that if a kid doesn't bring home any schoolwork, then the parent won't have a clue what's being taught there, or have a chance to correct the shitty teachings of all important subjects?

You guys know I wouldn't think twice about disbanding all public schools, but since they have to go off to learn state-approved versions of subjects like history and economics, constant parental review through bringing their work home everyday is your kid's brain's last line of defense!
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Or you could, you know, ask them...

Less government intrusion is a good thing. Period.
 
pfgannon said:
Or you could, you know, ask them...

Less government intrusion is a good thing. Period.
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Is the ability for a parent to have access to their child's daily schoolwork (and correct any state proaganda within) state intrusion? Sound to me like like exactly the opposite.
 
lukep said:
Is the ability for a parent to have access to their child's daily schoolwork (and correct any state proaganda within) state intrusion? Sound to me like like exactly the opposite.
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Luke, this makes no logical sense at all.

If you want access to your kids schoolwork, you just look at their books.

Also - 99% of parents ignore their kids' homework anyway at 11+, because they don't understand it.

Since I left school (a long time ago), it seems that homework has been spreading, and now kids under 11 are expected to do it, which is fucking ridiculous. What the hell are they wasting time on in schools that they can't get all their teaching done during the day?
 
lukep said:
Jesus, is it really hard to see that if a kid doesn't bring home any schoolwork, then the parent won't have a clue what's being taught there, or have a chance to correct the shitty teachings of all important subjects?

You guys know I wouldn't think twice about disbanding all public schools, but since they have to go off to learn state-approved versions of subjects like history and economics, constant parental review through bringing their work home everyday is your kid's brain's last line of defense!
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Well, I see what you are saying, but that's not at all the case. I'm assuming you don't have kids, because in the states there are CONSTANTLY things parents have to do with their kids in school.

There are PTA meetings at least once a month.
Parent Teacher conferences every two months.
Bake sale/misc fund raiser every month (as if taxation to pay for public schooling weren't enough)
Supply lists for what kids need for class.
Monthly progress reports showing what is being learned, and how well the student is progressing in each area.
There is something every fucking week.

In reality, even with homework most parents don't give a fuck so this certainly doesn't have the affect you are worried about. I seem to recall a study a while back that said most parents can't help their kids with homework past grade 4.

The kind of parents who send their kids to public school aren't the kind (I'm making a generalization here) who want them taught without brainwashing.

My boy is 6 (just last month) which puts him in kindergarten because he misses the normal 1st grade cutoff. He is doing the same level of work, with one hour of school per day, as his 3rd grade cousin. Fuck school, and homework doesn't help - it hurts. Unless you are going to completely break down the system and build it up from scratch, I'll call this a positive move.
 
I've read studies that suggest that homework is only effective for students around 17 years and older so this isn't that surprising...
 
lukep said:
Is the ability for a parent to have access to their child's daily schoolwork (and correct any state proaganda within) state intrusion? Sound to me like like exactly the opposite.
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When I was at school we did work in school books and folders. I took these books and folders home with me.

Should my parents want to see exactly what I was doing in school, they could look in these books and folders.

Homework is never going to cover EVERYTHING taught in school anyway.

For me, homework was pointless until I got to an age (around 17/18) when I was genuinely interested in what I was learning. Before then it rarely added value - most the kids just copied each others in registration before school started. I discovered that pretty early on, and didn't do much any homework throughout my time at school. It was better to get 1 hour of detention a week than to spend 8 hours doing mindless homework for subjects I despised.

By the time I was interested in the subjects I was doing, I was willing to do work myself in my own time to cover the stuff I needed to learn.

Incidentally, my parents didn't look at any of my homework as far as I'm aware from age 14 or so +. Before that my dad would help me with a few maths problems, but beyond that, especially by the time I was 17/18, my parents couldn't have helped me with any of my work even if they wanted to. The average parent can't solve second order differential equations, doesn't know what a karnaugh map is and is definitely no use when it comes to knowing why transition metals readily form complex ions when combined with a suitable ligand.
 
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