Oakland Riots

count me in! il br drinking vodka wearing my viva obama shirt... as he taxes me into the poor house

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I dont want to make this thing a race thing, but it just is one i guess.

The guy shot the kid, face down, and cuffed, in the back. and you just cant do that . period.


Right, you cant do that shit and that is why he was found guilt of involuntary manslaughter. What I dont get is all the hysteria about it being a fucking racial thing. I think it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with someone resisting arrest, a junior officer being flustered while being harassed and assaulted by dozens of people around him, and accidentally committing a heinous act which he will be paying for with years of his life. It's not like Oscar Grant was sitting at the white counter in some diner and the cops came and arrested him and then shot him in cold blood and acted like nothing happened!
I live in the Bay and sometimes I just cant fucking believe the kind of shit that happens around here. I love this place but god damn people! The best part about this is that if/when some shit goes down tonight people will be in the streets rioting and destroying the property of local businesses and private property, not some Fortune 500 company that has a glass ceiling for minorities, just because they are some angry fucking hooligans who want to do some crazy shit.
 


count me in! il br drinking vodka wearing my viva obama shirt... as he taxes me into the poor house

:(

I dont want to make this thing a race thing, but it just is one i guess.

The guy shot the kid, face down, and cuffed, in the back. and you just cant do that . period.

The cop fucked up. Was it a race thing? I don't know...would he have done the same thing if it was a white guy?
 
Do you have any background info on what actually happened or are you just spouting off some canned response to anything that involves a white police officer and a minority suspect?
In my limited dealings with police when I was doing something I wasnt supposed to do I learned a few things that people like Oscar Grant dont seem to understand: don't be a shithead, don't resist arrest (especially after being involved in a fight)...you will never be in a better place because of it. When I was in highschool i tried to pull a stunt and look like a hot shot in front of some people when the cops were breaking up a party and rounding a few people up who were getting too rowdy. Guess what happened? Surprise, sur-motherfuckin-prise, I got roughed up a bit before getting the cuffs thrown on me.
If Grant hadn't been resisting arrest and the crowd of scumbag thugs hadnt been harassing/assaulting the officers who were responding to the incident Oscar would still be alive today with just another mark on his record rather than in a wooden box. Sad, but true.
An unarmed black man was killed in cold blooded murder on camera and you defend it? Fuck you bitch.
 
An unarmed black man was killed in cold blooded murder on camera and you defend it? Fuck you bitch.

Does it really matter that he was black? The bottom line is that the cop fuck up. What if he was white? Would you be so up in arms about it.

I think not!
 
I watched the video. I saw someone resisting arrest while an officer, who had minimal backup, was being harassed and assaulted by a crowd after responding to a call about a fight on BART.
I saw someone struggling with an officer

Then you aren't watching the video.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/01/06/18559091.php

They had four or so people lined up, SEATED, against the wall. I counted five different officers. One officer walks toward Grant, motions toward him and the man beside him, says something to the other two officers about them, so Grant starts to stand up -- he holds his hands up in a gesture of submission from the start.

The other officers get nervous about him deciding to stand, tell him not to stand up and push both Grant and the other guy back down to a seated position.

The other guy gets up on his knees, holding his hands up in the air still, and puts them behind his back for the officers to cuff. He then gets placed in a position laying face forward on the ground.

Grant holds his hands up as well and is speaking to the officer when a second officer approaches him from the back and forces him to lay on his stomach. Both officers then "restrain" a man who is showing no signs of resisting, one of them by kneeling on his back and the other controlling his head. One of them decides that this isn't enough and stands to draw his [questionable method of defense, here], and then shoots Grant in the back, as he is laying face down with his arms already restrained, which you can tell since they don't move at all when he's shot or rolled over after being shot.

That said, do you really think that this was some racially motivated shit? Do you really think that a cop who decides to work in Oakland, of all fucking places, is going into work with a mindset of "Hmmm, imma fuck me up some black folks today because if there was any place in the country that would let me get away with acting on my misguided racial hatred it would be Oakland."?
No, but I do think the VERDICT was racially motivated. If this had happened to a young white girl instead of a young black man, do you really think the officer would've gotten off with such a light judgment?

Don't fuck with the cops and dont try to resist arrest! If you are already partially in custody there is nothing good that can come of you struggling and resisting arrest. Are you really going to argue with me about that?
There's no point in arguing that since it isn't relevant to this situation. He was already fucking handcuffed and laying face down, are you really this stupid?
 
Remember kids, if you're going to commit a crime, make sure its to someone of your own race or else it'll automatically be labeled a hate crime. People like cocoa only perpetuate the racial boundaries of whites/blacks by constantly referencing every discrepancy by a black/white person as race fueled hate. And no, I'm not agreeing to what the cop did at all, but I guess its to be expected, most cops are fat donut munching idiots.

Just like when I was in elementary, and some Mexican kid (or at least Latino) kid was about to step into a steamy pile of dog shit. Didn't know his name, first thing I said was "hey mexican kid, watch out you're about to step into dog poo". Course I got into shit for it, because some stupid homemaker "i dont have any authority at home so I'll practice it here" bitch got all omg racial butthurt on it. FUCK PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

Also,

nvanprooyen, couldn't agree more, my parents immigrated here from Europe with nothing and never once went on welfare or anything. They started at the bottom and worked their way up, thats disadvantaged; not being black in America.
 
This is the video I like to show when people are bitching about cops using excessive force, or a tazer. I'd rather be tazered bro ... than dead.
 
How the hell can you mistake a pistol for a tazer?

Edit: After watching the video, I think the fucking city should riot. Race issue or not, pigs can't have free reign to shoot people like it's nothing with no backlash.
 
Hell, Africans, Jamaicans, and other non-American blacks usually don't even like American blacks. Shit has nothing to do with the color of their skin, it's their degenerate culture of ghetto bullshit that's holding them back. Go ask your average Jamaican or African what they think about American blacks.

That is very true. I dated a chick from the Ivory Coast for a couple years and heard just how much real Africans despise black Americans. She came here on a student Visa with broken English and put herself through school, got an engineering degree, and went on to get an MBA. How much welfare do you suppose she'll be collecting in her lifetime? She may run into people that don't like her because she's black, but do you think she'll give a fuck or use it as an excuse - fuck no. If American-born blacks want to be taken seriously they have to start taking responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming everyone else for all the problems in the black community.

Why does the black community excuse Michael Jackson being a child molester? Why is it so hard to disown somebody like that? What kind of an example does that set for children - yet they put him on a pedestal like he was a god. Or the culture of women getting pregnant for a check, dad's running out to leave families fatherless, etc., respecting the neighborhood drug dealer while making fun of the kids that go to school for being too nerdy, or "trying to act white" - these things aren't caused by piece of shit cops like this. Black Americans need to take a long look in the mirror and make the necessary changes in their culture and community in order to survive because there are no more excuses. Not a single black person in this country has any clue what it was like to be a slave, and very few even know what it was like prior to the Civil Rights legislation.

There are racists (on all sides), and that's a fact of life - deal with it. Stop using it as an excuse to live in perpetual failure. I have to deal with that mindset every fucking day with my 14 year-old daughter because her mom is black (American born) and that whole side of the family has a perpetual defeatist attitude that I constantly have to stamp out of my daughter. They convince this girl that failure is to be expected and not her fault etc. I see the shit up close and personal and it makes it very clear where most of the problems lie with that poison mindset. Why does she only hear from me that she can be whatever she wants if she works hard towards her goals?

People in power are rarely held accountable like they should be, but the media plays a large role in this. How many white people are shot or beat-up by white cops every day? Or how many black people are beat-up by black cops? The media exists to shine a light on the most sensational shit - then try to make it look like it happens regularly. How many arrests happen every day/month/year in this country, and how often does some fucked up shit like this actually happen? Every couple of years, out of hundreds of thousands of arrests? Of course you're going to get over zealous, under educated cops that fuck up - the odds demand it. I don't know if the cop was a racist, or if he shot the guy because he didn't like black people or not. Who cares? He fucking shot a man that he shouldn't have shot! It doesn't matter the color, or his reasoning - the guy should not have been shot - doesn't that make it bad enough? Shouldn't that be enough to send the cop to prison? If the victim was white, should we let the cop then? Or if the cop was black? I don't understand the fucking point.

Fuck it whatever. I guess I wouldn't care but I hate to see my daughter's mind poisoned with that self-fulfilling, defeatist mindset and it's a real shame that most kids won't have someone there like me to tell them differently and they will just grow up to continue the same cycle of fail because black people won't take a look in the mirror and fix what's wrong with themselves, and are happy just to go through life blaming everyone else.

/rant
 
Racism is pathetic. This thread is just another reminder that ignorance is contagious and people need something to bitch about.

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.
Here's mine:

I was born and raised in the Bay Area. Not that you care to know that, you probably don't. Just like I don't give a fuck where most people are from, or what they think of Oakland.

Getting killed sucks. Sorry that it happened to him. It's a tragic loss for his family, friends, but most of all his young daughter.

I call bullshit on the cop for saying he pulled his gun on "accident." He knew what he pulled and what would happen if he used it. I don't know why he's not owning up to that choice, probably has something to do with not wanting to spend time in San Quentin. Why argue about it?

Now, I'm heading back to more important things. Digging through my closet for a purse to match my new dress.
 
It's interesting this became a race issue over what it truly was - a police officer over stepping his bounds. Unfortunately it just got pushed towards a race issue due to how much racial tension seems to stem in the states.

If you want to see a shitload of white people getting beat up by cops (probably close to 1000 of them), just watch the riots in Toronto recently.

This is not a race issue, it's an out of control police issue.
 
That is very true. I dated a chick from the Ivory Coast for a couple years and heard just how much real Africans despise black Americans. She came here on a student Visa with broken English and put herself through school, got an engineering degree, and went on to get an MBA. How much welfare do you suppose she'll be collecting in her lifetime? She may run into people that don't like her because she's black, but do you think she'll give a fuck or use it as an excuse - fuck no. If American-born blacks want to be taken seriously they have to start taking responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming everyone else for all the problems in the black community.

Why does the black community excuse Michael Jackson being a child molester? Why is it so hard to disown somebody like that? What kind of an example does that set for children - yet they put him on a pedestal like he was a god. Or the culture of women getting pregnant for a check, dad's running out to leave families fatherless, etc., respecting the neighborhood drug dealer while making fun of the kids that go to school for being too nerdy, or "trying to act white" - these things aren't caused by piece of shit cops like this. Black Americans need to take a long look in the mirror and make the necessary changes in their culture and community in order to survive because there are no more excuses. Not a single black person in this country has any clue what it was like to be a slave, and very few even know what it was like prior to the Civil Rights legislation.

There are racists (on all sides), and that's a fact of life - deal with it. Stop using it as an excuse to live in perpetual failure. I have to deal with that mindset every fucking day with my 14 year-old daughter because her mom is black (American born) and that whole side of the family has a perpetual defeatist attitude that I constantly have to stamp out of my daughter. They convince this girl that failure is to be expected and not her fault etc. I see the shit up close and personal and it makes it very clear where most of the problems lie with that poison mindset. Why does she only hear from me that she can be whatever she wants if she works hard towards her goals?

People in power are rarely held accountable like they should be, but the media plays a large role in this. How many white people are shot or beat-up by white cops every day? Or how many black people are beat-up by black cops? The media exists to shine a light on the most sensational shit - then try to make it look like it happens regularly. How many arrests happen every day/month/year in this country, and how often does some fucked up shit like this actually happen? Every couple of years, out of hundreds of thousands of arrests? Of course you're going to get over zealous, under educated cops that fuck up - the odds demand it. I don't know if the cop was a racist, or if he shot the guy because he didn't like black people or not. Who cares? He fucking shot a man that he shouldn't have shot! It doesn't matter the color, or his reasoning - the guy should not have been shot - doesn't that make it bad enough? Shouldn't that be enough to send the cop to prison? If the victim was white, should we let the cop then? Or if the cop was black? I don't understand the fucking point.

Fuck it whatever. I guess I wouldn't care but I hate to see my daughter's mind poisoned with that self-fulfilling, defeatist mindset and it's a real shame that most kids won't have someone there like me to tell them differently and they will just grow up to continue the same cycle of fail because black people won't take a look in the mirror and fix what's wrong with themselves, and are happy just to go through life blaming everyone else.

/rant
I have to agree with you on the fact that people have to start taking responsibility
 
The thing I did not understand is why did the police officer think it was necessary to Tazer the guy?

Aren't tasers supposed to be used "instead of a pistol" as in "the less lethal weapon" ... now... with someone lying down, handcuffed and under control by a knee in the back ... would you draw a pistol?

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