Obama Destroying The Internet!! What He Told The FCC To Do Will Have You Raging!

[Moxie]

give them the right to outlaw content with which they don't agree with.

Sex toys aren't a public utility, but their sale is outlawed in Alabama.

"sometimes you have to protect the public against themselves."


United States obscenity law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Censorship in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Internet censorship in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ban gay webmasters? Nope

They been there, done that.

Sodomy laws in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'd rather pay more money then have the government get involved.

As mentioned, they already are. Let's use Ted Cruz's state of Texas as an example. The cable wires are on public utility poles, and the cable companies sign franchise agreements with the Public Utility Commission of Texas.

 

[BigWill]

Is the stuff Obama is posing making big pro-gov't changes or is he just trying to cockblock cable companies?

He's do the opposite, letting big cable companies hold their monopolies by making the barrier to enter the ISP / Online industry near impossible. It will ensure any new technology is blocked from the get go. The net will no longer advance. Many people here seem to not understand how the technology works. its not just 1 "thing".

Understand that the "internet" connects to other countries as well. It's not even close to a standard utility. They could essentially block off other countries they deem to not be "compliant". It will open the doors for mass censorship and privacy invasion. All data transmitted would essential be "public", just like your power meter on your house(they monitor to catch grow operations, they would monitor your internet as well).

I would question anyones sanity who thinks that government regulation of the internet would be a good thing.

He's been trying to fuck the internet for a while... It amazes me how people can't go back and remember huge news stories from 6 months ago. I guess some people can only process so much data.

Obama's Internet Surrender Threatens Freedom, Says... Bill Clinton

Obama Administration Deserves Kudos For Surrendering Internet Control - Reason.com

 

[dmnEPC]

I can't believe on a forum of people who make their money online most of them are so ideological that they want to get rid of net neutrality which would directly impact in a negative way their ability to make money. You guys are fucking stupid or intentionally ignorant to be able to maintain your ideological views.

If you don't understand why, I can't imagine anyone having such amazing powers to communicate to make you fucktards understand.

Fuck your ideology, and your 'perfect world scenarios'. If current 'deregulation' happens, it would raise the barriers of entry for 99.999999% of us. Unless you are balling in the 9 digit range, you too would be screwed.

BTW, when people talk about 'deregulation' they don't really mean it based on the meaning of the word.

I've NEVER heard the word deregulation mean anything other than:

"No rules for big boys, TONS of rules for little guys"

LOL at utility deregulation. Anyone here ever read the smartest guys in the room? Yeah, words and concepts are awesome. They allow the powerful to sell changes that will screw over YOU the masses (if you aren't 9+ figures, you are the masses, just a higher level) in a way that is palatable to them.

In 1950: Fighting communism
In 2010: Free markets

(I'm actually against communism and in favor of free markets, but those words are NEVER used by anyone powerful to represent the true dictionary meaning of the word - Every free market rule, every 'fight against communism' is just a form of fascism/crony capitalism dressed in silk)

Oh, and of course the gov is doing it for their own sinister purposes. But I'll take the lesser of two evils every time. Of course I prefer TRUE free markets, but that isn't an option here; get over it.

You think Obama has your best intrest at heart? Name one thing he has done that has benefited the average American? Everything this guy has done or said has turned out to be a lie. The guy who he put in charge of making this decision Anthony Wheeler was the main lobiest for the cable industry. Ya I'm sure that guy has my interests at heart


As to the dereg conversation, you are correct. Their idea and my idea are very different. Their way of deregulation will only make them more powerful. That doesn't mean true deregulation and breaking up the monopolies wouldn't work

 

[greenleaves]

Oh, and of course the gov is doing it for their own sinister purposes. But I'll take the lesser of two evils every time. Of course I prefer TRUE free markets, but that isn't an option here; get over it.

You think Obama has your best intrest at heart?

Nice strawman argument. Either your reading and comprehension level approaches that of innanimate objects, or your intentionally bringing bullshit points to the table so you can destroy them and seem cool.

Great rherotic, terrible logic.

That doesn't mean true deregulation and breaking up the monopolies wouldn't work

Yeah, true dereg ain't going to happen. You might as well argue what would happen if we could all just get along.

You have two choices: Either you get fascism with cable companies extorting website/hosting owners and making it very hard to earn a living online, or you get fascism without it and we can continue to operate on the most level playing field known to man. Your getting fascism one way or the other. But with one you get a SMALL door to get ahead in life.

I'll choose the latter (net neutrality). You can choose unicorns. But just don't think for a minute that your grandiose ideas are worth shit or a contribution to humanity in any way. I'm actually in favor of your grandiose ideas. I'm just not delusional. Just like I'm in favor of bitcoin, but I'm not lukep.

 

[Moxie]

It will ensure any new technology is blocked from the get go. The net will no longer advance.

I can see advancement becoming harder, but the phone and electricity industries have made major advances over the years.

Also, the US isn't the only country. Advancements also occur in Japan, South Korea, etc.

Understand that the "internet" connects to other countries as well. It's not even close to a standard utility.

Telephone also connects to other countries. The US purchases billions of dollars of electricity every year from Canada.

They could essentially block off other countries they deem to not be "compliant".

They could pass a law tomorrow saying that all ISPs have to block .ca sites. (Take that you evil Canadian bastards.) The Supreme Court would probably not uphold it, but I doubt their decision would have much to do with whether or not it was a "public utility."

It will open the doors for mass censorship and privacy invasion. All data transmitted would essential be "public", just like your power meter on your house(they monitor to catch grow operations, they would monitor your internet as well).

They already monitor the internet to whatever degree, and they could still monitor power meters even if electricity was not a public utility.

Guns and decongestants are not public utilities, but that hasn't stopped them from monitoring and regulating their sale in many places.

I would question anyones sanity who thinks that government regulation of the internet would be a good thing.

He's been trying to fuck the internet for a while... It amazes me how people can't go back and remember huge news stories from 6 months ago. I guess some people can only process so much data.

Obama's Internet Surrender Threatens Freedom, Says... Bill Clinton

Obama Administration Deserves Kudos For Surrendering Internet Control - Reason.com

Uh, these are articles about Obama lessening US control over the internet. Notice that the "free market" reason.com was praising Obama.

 

[Tangible]

People are so fucking stupid and partisan it's ridiculous. If anybody but Obama was promoting net neutrality most in here would be praising it.

 

[dmnEPC]

Nice strawman argument. Either your reading and comprehension level approaches that of innanimate objects, or your intentionally bringing bullshit points to the table so you can destroy them and seem cool.

Great rherotic, terrible logic.



Yeah, true dereg ain't going to happen. You might as well argue what would happen if we could all just get along.

You have two choices: Either you get fascism with cable companies extorting website/hosting owners and making it very hard to earn a living online, or you get fascism without it and we can continue to operate on the most level playing field known to man. Your getting fascism one way or the other. But with one you get a SMALL door to get ahead in life.

I'll choose the latter (net neutrality). You can choose unicorns. But just don't think for a minute that your grandiose ideas are worth shit or a contribution to humanity in any way. I'm actually in favor of your grandiose ideas. I'm just not delusional. Just like I'm in favor of bitcoin, but I'm not lukep.

Here is a question. Why shouldn't Netflix pay for using 70% of the bandwidth in 'Murcia during prime time?

I actually don't disagree with much of your post. And if I'm honest. I don't really know what the solution is. I can argue both sides and probably convince myself either way. So that leaves obama and his cable lobiest head of the fcc as the tie breaker. It wasn't rhetoric when I said he was a liar. Literally everything he has done has been done by deceit. So pretty much what ever he is pushing for is guaranteed not to work as promised. So with that said. The .gov needs to stay out of this. No laws, rules or regulations.

 

[Moxie]

Here is a question. Why shouldn't Netflix pay for using 70% of the bandwidth in 'Murcia during prime time?

I don't know who would pay for what in a completely fair world, but I'll point out that Comcast pays HBO and ESPN, not the other way around.

 

[qqbot]

Here is a question. Why shouldn't Netflix pay for using 70% of the bandwidth in 'Murcia during prime time?

They pay hosting bills, part of the bandwidth is paid for as part of a cost of hosting, so they pay big bucks for something like a giant fucking 5tb/s pipeline out of their data centers, then at the other end, you have every netflix customer also paying some kind of monthly internet bill, to the isp, and in a lot of shitty places where the isp decided to get greedy, those people also have a monthly cap on their bandwidth, so they are already paying extra to stream netflix and whatnot.

TLDR: netflix pays giant internet bill for giant heavy duty connection, customers pay internet bill as well. The cost is divided and distributed, but paid for in full, which is why ISP's don't all go bankrupt.

Basically Obama is preventing big companies from playing cost structure games with people and squeezing them for more money while doing the same old thing (like they already are in some places with bandwidth caps).

For example, with netflix, if netflix can just pay the ISP more and continue to eat up %70 of the bandwidth and also have network priority over smaller internet companies, then they would be in a situation where they could pay a little more to the ISP, and charge customers a lot more for service, and the customers would have to pay more to the ISP to unfuck their fucked up internet if they wanted to do anything besides watch netflix.

 

[zaweritwich]

Internet is open and will remain open if USA wants to keep its Tech industry intact. China maybe installing Firewall and it don't matter for them as there's a Manufacturing economy.

 

[FillWerrell]

Here's a good response from mark Cuban. Sorry if it's mobile link.

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