Occupy Reality
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Painful to watch.
Why is he against health insurance. Has he not heard of catastrophic coverage?
The poor get a free pass.
The working class and middle class are in trouble if they do not plan ahead and purchase proper coverages. But with the proper catastrophic policy, they are covered.
Why is he against health insurance. Has he not heard of catastrophic coverage?
The poor get a free pass.
The working class and middle class are in trouble if they do not plan ahead and purchase proper coverages. But with the proper catastrophic policy, they are covered.
Everyone here will hate what this guy has to say, because most people here think they are so smart because they can make money on the internetz. They want the capitalism system to work for them. Truth of the matter is, 99% of you will never make it to the top. People praise hardwork and that if you put your mind to it you can do anything you want. If that were true then our whole economy would collapse. If you aren't in the 1% the odds are you never will be.
This doesn't mean everyone deserves free handouts. Our whole system is fucked and corrupt. The people in power want to stay in power and they do that by closing the door as much as possible for anyone else trying to get in. I support protests that fight big corporations over the amount of power they have.
Because right now our financial system is like a game of monopoly. With one player who controls everything and wants you to keep playing the game even though its nearly impossible to ever catch up, but he wants you to stay in the game as long as possible so he can take all of your money while leaving you enough to scrape by. Sooner or later all the players go bankrupt and its game over. But in real life if a large portion of the 99% goes bankrupt. We all lose because that's what is holding up the pyramid of capitalism.
If they really knew shit they would be occupying DC.
The problem stems from the government crooks. If corporations are allowed to make money by fucking people over they will continue to do so whether or not the public agrees. The problem won't go away as long as there's an incentive for them to do this.
I was arguing with some guys over this and it seems that the general public are just a bunch of jealous losers.
niggas on wall st gotta eat
DONT HATE THE PLAYER, HATE THE GAME
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96sFW-3vGv4]Jay Z - Can't Knock The Hustle - YouTube[/ame]
The problem stems from the government crooks. If corporations are allowed to make money by fucking people over they will continue to do so whether or not the public agrees. The problem won't go away as long as there's an incentive for them to do this.
I was arguing with some guys over this and it seems that the general public are just a bunch of jealous losers.
niggas on wall st gotta eat
DONT HATE THE PLAYER, HATE THE GAME
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96sFW-3vGv4]Jay Z - Can't Knock The Hustle - YouTube[/ame]
Everyone here will hate what this guy has to say, because most people here think they are so smart because they can make money on the internetz. They want the capitalism system to work for them. Truth of the matter is, 99% of you will never make it to the top. People praise hardwork and that if you put your mind to it you can do anything you want. If that were true then our whole economy would collapse. If you aren't in the 1% the odds are you never will be.
This doesn't mean everyone deserves free handouts. Our whole system is fucked and corrupt. The people in power want to stay in power and they do that by closing the door as much as possible for anyone else trying to get in. I support protests that fight big corporations over the amount of power they have.
Because right now our financial system is like a game of monopoly. With one player who controls everything and wants you to keep playing the game even though its nearly impossible to ever catch up, but he wants you to stay in the game as long as possible so he can take all of your money while leaving you enough to scrape by. Sooner or later all the players go bankrupt and its game over. But in real life if a large portion of the 99% goes bankrupt. We all lose because that's what is holding up the pyramid of capitalism.
100% true
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Breaking The Silence (BtS) (Hebrew: שוברים שתיקה Shovrim Shtika) is an Israeli Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) established by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers and veterans who collect and provide testimonies about their military service in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem during the Second Intifada, giving serving and discharged Israeli personnel and reservists a platform to confidentially describe their experience in the Israeli-occupied territories.
The organization's stated mission is to 'break the silence' of IDF soldiers who return to civilian life in Israel and "discover the gap between the reality which they encountered in the [occupied] territories, and the silence which they encounter at home." Since 2004, Breaking the Silence has run a testimonies collection project called "Soldiers Speak Out" They have collected several hundred testimonies from "those who have, during their service in the IDF, the Border Guard, and the Security Forces, played a role in the Occupied Territories." By publishing soldiers' accounts, Breaking the Silence hopes to "force Israeli society to address the reality which it created" and face the truth about "abuse towards Palestinians, looting, and destruction of property" that is familiar to soldiers.
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Breaking The Silence (BtS) (Hebrew: שוברים שתיקה Shovrim Shtika) is an Israeli Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) established by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers and veterans who collect and provide testimonies about their military service in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem during the Second Intifada, giving serving and discharged Israeli personnel and reservists a platform to confidentially describe their experience in the Israeli-occupied territories.
The organization's stated mission is to 'break the silence' of IDF soldiers who return to civilian life in Israel and "discover the gap between the reality which they encountered in the [occupied] territories, and the silence which they encounter at home." Since 2004, Breaking the Silence has run a testimonies collection project called "Soldiers Speak Out" They have collected several hundred testimonies from "those who have, during their service in the IDF, the Border Guard, and the Security Forces, played a role in the Occupied Territories." By publishing soldiers' accounts, Breaking the Silence hopes to "force Israeli society to address the reality which it created" and face the truth about "abuse towards Palestinians, looting, and destruction of property" that is familiar to soldiers.
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They are occupying DC. And the Federal Reserve in multiple states. Next?
They're not fans of the government by any stretch. By far the most consistent/supported goal is reducing/eliminating corporate influence in the government.
Mark my words: In 2 years the "niggas" on Wall Street will be strung up by their entrails if things don't change.
"Because it's legal" only works until the mob is outside your house. And good fucking riddance.
I'll hate the player as much as I want. The player stole my(and your) money. Fuck them.
And how do you do that? I have yet to see a viable plan. What about Union influence?
Consider them marked.
You should start calling out these niggas by name; kind of reminds me how boldly OWS will speak out against "greed".
The Unions so far have failed to co-opt the movement, but not for lack of trying.
There's a pretty flawed amendment someone is attempting right now. It only covers corporate donations though, which would leave SPACs untouched. I'm unsure of whether or not it impacts unions, but it would need to for a slam dunk.
The trick with solutions though is OWS tries to avoid party politics. Putting forth a concrete plan of their own devices would run headlong into the political system. I think for now it's better to let the politicians squabble to sort it out, then put in critiques of bills that come out of it.
CabinCr3w has been outting phone numbers and addresses of bank CEOs for awhile. I got to leave the President of citibank a voicemail on his cell, got to talk to his secretary at the office. They haven't been used a whole lot yet, but I wouldn't bet on that for the future.
If by "player," you mean Wall Street, it is imprecise to say, "they stole my money." That imprecision can lead to horrendous, misguided, and ultimately, devastating solutions (i.e. further reliance on the state).
When I think of an institution "stealing" my money, I think of taxation and inflation. Although Wall Street can influence whether these things occur, they lack the power to execute either of them. Only the state and its agencies can do this. Essentially, Wall Street has asked the true thief (i.e. the state) to steal. I say let's deal with the true thief, rather than asking the thief to remove the temptation to steal.
Here's an example...
Suppose I were to ask a fellow with a territorial monopoly on theft to rob you at gunpoint. I promise to let him keep a chunk of the take. He does as I ask, and turns over most of your cash to me. Am I the thief (not simply complicit, but actually executing the theft), or is he the thief?
If you get rid of me (Wall Street), or limit my influence, the thief will still be around, and willing to commit subsequent crimes for myriad other actors or for his own ends. If you get rid of the thief (the state, a territorial and compulsory monopoly), you go much further toward eliminating the problem.
Are you sure? A lot of union contributors here and very few big corps. This is a list of top political contributors.
source http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
Thanks! It's not too hard with OWS. Media coverage has been so deceptive and shoddy that most complaints/critiques people have are already handled or based on a misconception.
It is not imprecise. My money was taken by the state, then they used the state to take that money. While I didn't agree with the state taking it, at least before I would see a benefit from it in some ways. They stole that possibility, and with it "stole my money".
Libertarians abhor the state because they abhor coercive force(Non Aggression principle). I have been aggressor by the banks, I feel absolutely no remorse about returning it in kind.
Don't become overwhelmed by the dogma Jake. There are small government solutions to most problems, but our political system is incapable of doing them for now. While a pure small/no government approach might be preferable in theory, right now the "small government" narrative is too controlled and obscured by the largest industries and there's no realistic hope for change in that regard.
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And because of this they specifically set out with their lobbyists to get the state's ability to coerce. That makes them aggressors who should be dealt with accordingly.
It is important to send a clear message: If you want the powers of the state, we will treat you like the state. We will take your money, turn your influence back on you, and make you wish that you had embraced the free market while you had the chance.
Wallstreet is the puppet master, the state is the puppet. While the state has the power of force, the motivations behind the use of force land on Wall Street's door step.
They are one and the same. The banks are so intertwined with our government that there is practically no difference anymore. They are both thieves, working together. Without our government, you have no "modern" banking system as it is today.
People get so caught up in "is it corporate or is it government" that they are unable to see the two merge in front of their eyes.
There is nothing free market about Wall Street. There is nothing worth defending. No "market" to save, no "right" to their profits. Because they've destroyed the market and their profits came from your pocket.
It's all irrelevant because point blank: You're not going to eliminate the state. Not in the near future, or likely in the distant future.
So your realpolitik choices right now are: Lube up and continue to get fucked intentionally by 2 aggressors, 1 of whom you have no control over, or try and limit the damage to 1 aggressor you have a tiny degree of say in.
Those are your choices. I appreciate philosophical agreements more than most, and agree with most of your points on that level. But it doesn't matter in realpolitik.
So the fuck what? Fuck the Democrats and fuck the Republicans.Are you sure? A lot of union contributors here and very few big corps. This is a list of top political contributors.
source Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012 | OpenSecrets
This has nothing whatsoever to do with Occupy unless you live in the Fox News netherworld where Occupy supports Obama. I cannot think of a way in which those figures would indicate OWS has been co-opted.
I was referring to Union vs. Corporate influence in politics. You said Unions did not have the influence.
OWS always talks of removing corporate money from politics - why not Union money? Clearly Unions give more.