On the issue of Free Speech

[ly2 from WF]

See how much better this is without the word games?

Define games.

Asking people to define what it is they mean isn't a word game.

Define game.

 

[cardine]

Define games.



Define game.

Define define.

 

[ly2 from WF]

Define define.

 

[mattseh]

Define define.

#[I]define[/I] DEFINE 3.14159

 

[mattseh]

Define games.



Define game.

Define barry

 

[JakeStratham]

On a note related to the importance of defining words and agreeing upon those definitions (from here):

Many political words are similarly abused. The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable." The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using that word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different

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I have not here been considering the literary use of language, but merely language as an instrument for expressing and not for concealing or preventing thought. Stuart Chase and others have come near to claiming that all abstract words are meaningless, and have used this as a pretext for advocating a kind of political quietism. Since you don't know what Fascism is, how can you struggle against Fascism? One need not swallow such absurdities as this, but one ought to recognize that the present political chaos is connected with the decay of language, and that one can probably bring about some improvement by starting at the verbal end.

Orwell's essay is worth a read:

George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," 1946

 

[mimoza3]

Asking people to define what it is they mean isn't a word game.

alright - maybe was too harsh.
You make a strong enough case for your cause without getting tangled with "define" challenges, thats all I wanted to say.

 

[mimoza3]

Orwell's essay is worth a read:

George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," 1946

Real nice share (actually pretty amazing the Orwell's name did not appear here sooner), twenty years ago everyone thought he was a great author - now everyone knows he just saw where this is all going.

 

[mimoza3]

Define define.

Specify what you mean by "define define"
(three post, I know what I am now)

 

[guerilla]

On a note related to the importance of defining words and agreeing upon those definitions

Orwell once said that "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity".

That is why I ask people to define their terms.

You make a strong enough case for your cause without getting tangled with "define" challenges, thats all I wanted to say.

Of course I do. I have some idea of what I am talking about, which is more than I can say for most other people in this thread.

Define game.

Don't pile on bro, this is my troll.

 

[jonas33h]

define troll

 

[mimoza3]

oh look -

 

[jonas33h]

oh look -

agreed now we actually have something to talk about now instead of some boring ass thread that was started