One More Health Care Thread: The Race In Massachusetts

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Not sure if anyone is following the story about the Senate race in Mass.

Here's the gist...

Martha Coakley (Dem) is running against Scott Brown (Rep) for the Senate seat left vacant by Kennedy's recent passing. Brown has vowed to break the Democrats' supermajority and stop the current health care package in its tracks.

His promise is gaining traction. Though Massachusetts has not sent a Republican to the Senate since 1972, polls show him up 9 points with a 4-point margin of error. (Yes, I know polls are deeply flawed.)

Once a sleeper race, it has now attracted nationwide coverage. This is due to its potential impact on the current health care reform package. Obama had originally intended to avoid campaigning for Coakley. He recently changed his mind and with Clinton, has hit the trails for Coakley. Or, more to the point, has hit the trails against Brown.

Meanwhile, in the halls of power, the Dems are considering their options regarding the current health care reform package given a Brown win. Here are their options...

1. they can push a vote on the package before Brown is seated.
2. they can jam the package through reconciliation with a simple majority vote (51 versus 60).
3. they can try to garner support from Republicans (i.e. Snowe).

The vote takes place today.

I'm not invested in either party. A few of you know that I would like to see the entire machine completed dismantled. That said, I'm fascinated by the process and the shenanigans. And doubly so since a piece of legislation so damaging could possibly come down to this.

Side note: I've left out links and decided to summarize because the information comes from several sources. Finding them would require too much effort. At least I'm honest.
 


UnripeArbiter said:
I guess we'll find out soon.
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I read it could take up to two weeks to certify the election results. It'll be interesting to see whether the results are delayed.

On a semi-related note, here's Jack Cafferty (CNN rabble rouser) talking about the recent deal with the unions...

Cafferty File: Tell Jack how you really feel Blog Archive - Unions invited into secret health care negotiations - Blogs from CNN.com

This stuff is so blatant it's almost funny. Almost.
 
Trademark said:
I read it could take up to two weeks to certify the election results. It'll be interesting to see whether the results are delayed.

On a semi-related note, here's Jack Cafferty (CNN rabble rouser) talking about the recent deal with the unions...

Cafferty File: Tell Jack how you really feel Blog Archive - Unions invited into secret health care negotiations - Blogs from CNN.com

This stuff is so blatant it's almost funny. Almost.
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I live in Massachusetts and have never seen people so excited. Brown's gonna win, Coakley's getting creamed, and unless Obama's goons steal the election, his healthcare plans are FUCKED. People HATE his healthcare bill and are going to destroy it. Obama's last option is to force the House to pass that POS bill, but good luck with that now that they're all seeing what happens when you support healthcare nationalization.

And Trademark, they wouldn't delay his certification or try to pass something with Kirk's vote. That would be political suicide and they know it. Nor would they try to pass something quickly. Their last hope is to convince the far-left loons in the House to support the Senate bill. Not only would the House loons want to make it more radical, but the centrist/center-left House members are getting picked off left and right because of supporting Obama and are ready to bolt. Stick a fork in him. He's done.

Go Brown!
 
Nah the dems will continue to dance around like fucking retardos and never accomplish anything I'd wager.
 
Lol Obama said "You can't win them all". He hasn't won even ONE. He went to New Jersey - LOST. He went to Virginia - LOST. He went to Massachusetts - LOST.

You can't win them all? You retarded fucker, you can't win a single race now that people know what a nutjob you really are.
 
Don't get too excited yet. They want to ram the bill through without Brown being there, by having the house just suddenly accept the Senate version and throw it at Obama. Desperation on their part, trying to leave a legacy.
 
papajohn56 said:
Don't get too excited yet. They want to ram the bill through without Brown being there, by having the house just suddenly accept the Senate version and throw it at Obama. Desperation on their part, trying to leave a legacy.
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If they tried jamming it through using reconciliation, there would be riots in the streets.
 
papajohn56 said:
Don't get too excited yet. They want to ram the bill through without Brown being there, by having the house just suddenly accept the Senate version and throw it at Obama. Desperation on their part, trying to leave a legacy.
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Obviously if half the fucking senate/house/US population doesn't fucking like it... then it shouldn't go through. But nooooooooooooo.
 
I live on the NH/Mass. border and all I heard on the radio for the past week was some retarded Coakley ad blast Brown as supporting Bush's failed policies and blah blah blah.

I guess that whole "failed Bush campaign" ad definitely took a drop since Obama came to town.
 
Best part is Scott Brown's daughter was on American Idol, and is the starting guard for Boston College basketball, and they own a second home in this rich little NH oceanside town.
 
It's so hard to understand the problem Americans have with health care reform. It's like half of you are totally ok with the fact that 50 million are uninsured, and that people go bankrupt from hospital bills all the time, and that your public health statistics are pathetic for a first world country.

Is it really so hard to give a shit about your fellow citizens? As a Canadian its hard to understand. Even conservatives here are cool with single payer public health care. The fact that the richest country in the world can't provide this to its own citizens seems pretty lame.

Even if you forget the "fellow citizens" bit.... with the profit margins removed, in Canada we pay less than Americans for similar quality of service..and we choose our own doctors etc. It's basically win/win.
 
praxus said:
It's so hard to understand the problem Americans have with health care reform. It's like half of you are totally ok with the fact that 50 million are uninsured, and that people go bankrupt from hospital bills all the time, and that your public health statistics are pathetic for a first world country.

Is it really so hard to give a shit about your fellow citizens? As a Canadian its hard to understand. Even conservatives here are cool with single payer public health care. The fact that the richest country in the world can't provide this to its own citizens seems pretty lame.

Even if you forget the "fellow citizens" bit.... with the profit margins removed, in Canada we pay less than Americans for similar quality of service..and we choose our own doctors etc. It's basically win/win.
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Except you don't understand why this bill is nothing but shit. Mandating that people purchase insurance is a rights violation, and unconstitutional - not only that, but all it does is give government support to health insurance companies. I keep advocating the Singapore system for a reason. Some of the best care in the world, some of the healthiest residents, yet they only pay 8% of GDP to healthcare.

You can play the bleeding heart card all you want, but with this bill it's nothing but shit, and so is socialized medicine.
 
praxus said:
It's so hard to understand the problem Americans have with health care reform. It's like half of you are totally ok with the fact that 50 million are uninsured, and that people go bankrupt from hospital bills all the time, and that your public health statistics are pathetic for a first world country.

Is it really so hard to give a shit about your fellow citizens? As a Canadian its hard to understand. Even conservatives here are cool with single payer public health care. The fact that the richest country in the world can't provide this to its own citizens seems pretty lame.

Even if you forget the "fellow citizens" bit.... with the profit margins removed, in Canada we pay less than Americans for similar quality of service..and we choose our own doctors etc. It's basically win/win.
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Richest country? How do you enjoy those waits time? I personally know someone that had to come to the US and pay for life saving surgery because in Canada she would have died before the surgery could be completed... sounds awesome to me!

Not to mention your taxes suck balls and I do not want to be paying for all those lazy ass people living on welfare.
 
My Aunt lives in Mass. and has voted Democrat her whole life. She voted for Brown today... her reason, "I already get free health care from the state that's better than any insurance I've ever had from past employers. Why on Earth would I give that up and pay for it twice?"
 
Well I agree the bill is shit; but only because it didn't go far enough.

As far as mandating that people purchase insurance, it works that way with cars right? But instead of going that route, they just should have added the costs to income and business taxes.

From where I sit, I see a lot of corporate money going to politicians, and the strong anti-big government sentiment of many Americans being manipulated to preserve those huge profits.

070707 - that's propaganda, and you guys fall for it hook line and sinker. Big propaganda budgets to save the billions in health care profits $$$. I've lived here over 40 years and never known anyone who had to wait excessively for surgery. If I wanted to see a doctor at 9am I can be seeing him by 10am. That's reality from a real Canadian, not the schills you see on Fox.
 
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