No, it doesn't work that way with cars. Plenty of people commute without driving every day, and they don't have to purchase health insurance. You HAVE to live, right?
One More Health Care Thread: The Race In Massachusetts
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No, it doesn't work that way with cars. Plenty of people commute without driving every day, and they don't have to purchase health insurance. You HAVE to live, right?
The health care bill as it stands now is nothing like Canada's system. As it stands the government is going to demand the people pay for their health care by penalty of fines and imprisonment.
Constitutionally, the government cannot DEMAND we purchase ANYTHING from the federal government. Thats the problem I have with it. That and it cuts funding for medicaid and it will put us further in debt.
Europe and to a lesser degree I believe Canada will never understand the U.S. The majority of us do not want government intruding in our lives. The most of us do not wish to live under a socialist democracy.
Don't buy into the American lefts argument that people die on the streets due to the lack of healthcare. Healthcare is available to ANYONE regardless if they have insurance or not at any time. In fact I had an employee a few years ago that was diagnosed with cancer and she had no insurance. She recieved the same care and attention by the same doctors that patients with "cadilac policies" recieved.
Don't buy into the myths.
Propaganda? When I KNOW someone coming from Canada to PAY for surgery in the US because she is going to DIE and Canada will not push her Surgery date any sooner... that is NOT propaganda.
And I live in Spain 6 months of the year. Same bullshit wait times. Doctors appointment? Oh sorry... come back tomorrow after waiting for 6 hours. Cut my throat.
Details about this person? It would be front page news here if true.
As for Spain..who the fuck knows; I'm not advocating their system.
I don't think it's so much that a percentage of the country is against the reform because of what you state... they are against it for many other reasons like all the shoved pork into the current bill, more government control, higher taxes, etc. There are other ways to reform health care without the pork and government intervention. However, before that will ever happen and before we can have a perfect health care system, we need to get rid of for-profit lobbyists which will kill corporatism and LIMIT congressional/senate seats.
Serving the country as a senator/congressman should be recognized as public duty and not a career.
And yet for some reason fucking Nazis like you want to shove it down our throat. Mind your own fucking business and keep your shitty Canadian policies to yourself.
You can find these stories anywhere; you just don't want to see them. You're too busy patting yourself on the back for your 'empathy' while people die in your shitty government-run system. The government has a fixed budget for a certain number of operations; that means if there's more people, they'll have to wait. It's called Captain Obvious.
If, on the other hand, there's more people in a free market health system, the SYSTEM will expand to meet that demand.
Yes, you'll need money, but that's called LIFE. It's called fucking hard work. Or did you Canadians stop doing that shit because the government cuts you a check every month?
I've had Massachusetts 'free' healthcare plan and it's utter SHIT. I went ONCE to see a doctor; there were 35 people waiting in a ratty office, the couch was falling apart, no receptionist, and ONE(yes, one) nurse/doctor/i don't know what the hell she was... attending all those people. I've never used that plan since.
Oh I'm a "fucking Nazi" now for advocating public health care? Luckily I know most Americans aren't assholes like you; who can actually debate a topic without stooping to your pathetic level. Well I will just this once - Eat shit and die.
No, you're a fucking Nazi because you want to force MY government to steal MY money and give it to lowlife scumbags. You're a thief, and what's worse, you don't even admit to it - you wrap yourself in a sickening blanket of righteousness. Get a clue - most Americans ARE like me. They hate foreigners offering their unwanted political opinions.
So, you're basically saying that you can circumvent the car insurance requirement by simply not driving a car? If so, you're losing either way. You won't own a car because you don't want to pay car insurance... yet, you don't have the luxury of driving wherever you want because you don't have car insurance.
That's the same as saying that you don't HAVE to pay federal income tax if you make less than the minimum to pay in, work under the table, hide your income, etc. If this bill passes with the requirement to purchase health insurance, people will find ways around it. There is already news circulating about the "religious" clause stating that people won't have to purchase health insurance if it's against their religion.
Luckily I live in a semi-normal state where I can drive without auto insurance, but if you have a auto loan, most loan companies require it.
...you serious? plenty of people who live in cities especially live without cars, and can get where they want, when they want to. Good point about federal income tax. It's just another way the government oppresses you. So you support multiple forms of government oppression, nice job.
That's funny, because she has nothing but good things to say about it and she goes to the doctor every 2-4 months for both diabetes and a heart defect. She has the same doctor she had when she was using her employer's insurance and I know she never waits for that long to see him.
yes but from both sides, it's nothing but rhetoric and circumstantial evidence. we'd have to look at the big picture
Definitely. I'm just saying that I was surprised to hear that she voted Republican, because she's one of the few people in my family who are Democrat. She didn't vote "for a Republican", she voted to kill national health care reform so she could keep the free state system. I'm just wondering how many people voted Republican for that same reason.
The "50 million uninsured" thing has been totally debunked time and again. It boils down to only 10-15 million truly uninsured. We don't fuck up a country full of 300 million people to satisfy the same 10% that expects the government to give them hand-outs for every other facet of their lives.
So your complaints had to do with not enough tax money being spent for you?
Mitt Romney is a big fan of the Mass. system :
Featured Article - WSJ.com
Ah, the "lowlife scumbags." Interestingly enough, your free Massachusetts plan is based around the poverty level. Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also, don't forget that the Canadian government collects less tax money for health care than the USA does.
It's easy to spout bs and say 'nothing further needed'.
In reality -
Originally Posted by hellblazer
And yet for some reason fucking Nazis like you want to shove it down our throat. Mind your own fucking business and keep your shitty Canadian policies to yourself.
> You guys are the ones who bring up our system frequently on this issue, often with lies and misinformation. Don't you want to base your decisions on real info? That's the only reason I chimed in on this. Also if your policies are better, how come its such a big issue in the US and a total non issue here? That's a rhetorical question, I don't require another hysterical answer.
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The government has a fixed budget for a certain number of operations; that means if there's more people, they'll have to wait. It's called Captain Obvious.
If, on the other hand, there's more people in a free market health system, the SYSTEM will expand to meet that demand.
>> No that's called Captain bullshit. As our system expands with more people, more people contribute to the system. I mean come on, that was weak. Also since the profit motive is largely removed from health care, more dollars goes to actual patient care, not lining shareholders pockets. The fixed budget thing is also new to me, perhaps you read that in a right wing blog somewhere?
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Yes, you'll need money, but that's called LIFE. It's called fucking hard work. Or did you Canadians stop doing that shit because the government cuts you a check every month?
>> Man if you are ignorant enough to think we get checks every month, there's no use even discussing this.
Anyways looks like you guys will get your wish and nothing will change, so you should be happy.