Outsourcing .............
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Good advice... Plus, you can learn alot just by logging onto their website (if they have one). Seriously, I've seen writers with websites that were full of spelling/grammar mistakes. If they can't even handle their own website, there's no way you're going to get a quality article from them.
1. How do you work out payment plans with these people? Do you usually make some kind of initial payment up front and then after the first milestone is completed, you make another payment?
2. Also, I'm wondering if anyone has ever given their freelancer an account to work with to make and place ads, etc. Ideally, that's how it should be done but I would think the other person would simply copy what you're doing and leave you hanging out to dry. Is their any way to do this without giving up your campaign?
Obviously not. But I'll give you a quote from the wise Jeremy Shoemoney:
If they don't have the capital to do what you do, then what? What if they're not in the network and don't have access to the same offer or payout than you? If anything a fellow affiliate marketer from Wickedfire copying your ads is probably going to do a lot more damage than any outsourced Indian can.
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get account
get on IM with Indians
Talk to them
hire them for a couple bucks doing a small job
if they do well - keep them in your outsourcer excel spreadsheet (name, email and IM)
rinse
repeat
gather 10 indians
open basecamp account - load up your work on there
assign workload
pay when work is completed and satisfactory
rinse
repeat
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light cigar
have a glass of scotch
count monies
Damnit, I should have put that in an ebook, created videos and then I could have sold it...Just like John Reese.
get account
get on IM with Indians
Talk to them
hire them for a couple bucks doing a small job
if they do well - keep them in your outsourcer excel spreadsheet (name, email and IM)
rinse
repeat
gather 10 indians
open basecamp account - load up your work on there
assign workload
pay when work is completed and satisfactory
rinse
repeat
---------
light cigar
have a glass of scotch
count monies
Damnit, I should have put that in an ebook, created videos and then I could have sold it...Just like John Reese.
What he said.
Programmers in Eastern Europe are the ones to look for when outsourcing.
Designers from the Philippines are usually better than the rest. But, one thing that you can count on from them is that they will "get sick" and disappear for a while only to return later. I don't know if they all got the same memo or something but they all seem to do this. It's eerie.
Writers from the Philippines usually do good work as well. You can usually find good American and Canadian writers for a good price if you look hard enough. Make sure choose a few and do a 1 article test with all of them. Use the same topic and same written instructions. That way you will know who is the best.
Also keep this tip in mind: Write your instructions at the start of the day. Try to be as detailed and specific as possible. Then, wait. Don't send it.
Come back to your instructions later in the day. Revise them to be more specific. Wait... don't send it.
Do it one more time the next day. Then send it.
What I just said may not make sense to you now, but it will after you make a few hires.
50% of the success you will have in outsourcing will be the talent of the worker.
The other 50% is in the direction and encouragement you give them. So, make sure the direction is precise and make sure you praise them when they do things well.
OMFG all that is so true. I can't tell you how many times back when I first started outsourcing work and got something weird only to realize my instructions sucked and I assumed they'd know what I meant about something. Never assume someone knows anything unless you've worked with them 3 or 4 times successfully before. And even then it doesn't hurt to reiterate it in some form or another without being condescending.
This. No offense to any Indians on here but Indians have an entrepreneurial state of mind and steal campaigns and work. That happened to me on DP and that "sir" before and after every word really gets to me. Filipino workers ftw:bowdown:
My experience with Indians hasn't been the same as yours fortunately.
My projects have always been the type where they would need large amounts of money to steal and make work. And, from what I can tell, even if they did they couldn't do anything with them because they are too inept on their own.
I have 2 problems with Indian workers:
1. They say they understand everything, or can do everything, but they don't understand anything and they almost always learn as they go. So, if you are getting a bargain Indian coder at $12 an hour, you should know that if you paid someone else in the Ukraine or USA $20 to $40 an hour you would usually get the project done faster and for the same price overall as you would have paid the Indian.
You will basically be paying the cheaper Indian to go to take a class on your dime to learn the basic skills about how to do your project, then finally to do it. The more expensive coders usually jump right in and know how to do things.
2. They cannot think for themselves. Very few have problem solving skills. You have to tell them that 1+2=3 If you tell them 1+X=3 they will never figure it out.
Of course this goes back to the previous post where I said you have to give them good direction. But, there will always be times where small problems arise that can cause projects to be put on hold until they are solved. Be sure of one thing, when those problems arise, your Indian worker will not be able to solve it. He will do one of 2 things:
a. He will stop completely until you wake up the next morning to his emails which tell you that he basically stopped working at 12pm his time while waiting for your solution. This kills one workday and if you are paying hourly one day of cash.
b. If he tries to move forward you can expect his solution is to completely change everything you instructed him to do to go with his own completely illogical solution while you aren't looking. You will then want to fire him if you aren't too far into the project. Do it.
Stay away from India. Don't even think about it. Even Indian CIO's in the USA have told me that.
My projects have always been the type where they would need large amounts of money to steal and make work. And, from what I can tell, even if they did they couldn't do anything with them because they are too inept on their own.
I have 2 problems with Indian workers:
1. They say they understand everything, or can do everything, but they don't understand anything and they almost always learn as they go. So, if you are getting a bargain Indian coder at $12 an hour, you should know that if you paid someone else in the Ukraine or USA $20 to $40 an hour you would usually get the project done faster and for the same price overall as you would have paid the Indian.
You will basically be paying the cheaper Indian to go to take a class on your dime to learn the basic skills about how to do your project, then finally to do it. The more expensive coders usually jump right in and know how to do things.
2. They cannot think for themselves. Very few have problem solving skills. You have to tell them that 1+2=3 If you tell them 1+X=3 they will never figure it out.
Of course this goes back to the previous post where I said you have to give them good direction. But, there will always be times where small problems arise that can cause projects to be put on hold until they are solved. Be sure of one thing, when those problems arise, your Indian worker will not be able to solve it. He will do one of 2 things:
a. He will stop completely until you wake up the next morning to his emails which tell you that he basically stopped working at 12pm his time while waiting for your solution. This kills one workday and if you are paying hourly one day of cash.
b. If he tries to move forward you can expect his solution is to completely change everything you instructed him to do to go with his own completely illogical solution while you aren't looking. You will then want to fire him if you aren't too far into the project. Do it.
Stay away from India. Don't even think about it. Even Indian CIO's in the USA have told me that.
I think Cryptix just outed the whole course dude
What's peoples thoughts on getting outsourcers with internet marketing experience as opposed to just getting someone with good english and training them up yourself on basic linkbuilding/seo/market research/etc?
I think Cryptix just outed the whole course dude
What's peoples thoughts on getting outsourcers with internet marketing experience as opposed to just getting someone with good english and training them up yourself on basic linkbuilding/seo/market research/etc?
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