Owning all Google Slots?

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aeiouy said:
Plenty of adwords accounts have been banned. Primarily for people who had multiple accounts using them in an attempt to circumvent the rules.
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listen to this man, he is so right.

i just googled it, and there are some interesting stories about people who have gotten their ADWORDS account banned due to running several accounts with bad intentions.

so, stick to the rules, which are primarily summarized here.

really interesting that they actually perma-ban people in adwords.

but then again it almost seems like a mission impossible to get along with a single adwords account?

anyways, i am still interested in knowing, whether different ad-spots have different conversion rates by nature :)
 


When you say conversions, are you talking about CTR in relation to ad position or conversions once they get to your landing page?

If it's ad CTR, I've always heard spots 1-3 and like 7-10 were the best (something like that). In effect, the middle spots perform worse for CTR.

If you're talking about conversions of your landing page, I would think the position of your ad would have no bearing on whether the visitor eventually converted or not.
 
All the spots? I haven't seen that. But most of the spots, certainly. It was even featured in a Google Techtalk. Of course different domains but with almost identical websites and IIRW, same whois. It was 2-3 years ago.
 
You'd be banned pretty quick. There are multiple ways to detect this and I guarantee your competition would not let this slide.

Plus it's not worth it because some people click on a lot of ads on a page.
 
beejeebers said:
You'd be banned pretty quick. There are multiple ways to detect this and I guarantee your competition would not let this slide.
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yeah, right on. that's what i meant, new food for thought.

the competition of course. sure they would get pissed as hell and probably be more of an adcopy-nazi than google could ever be.

beejeebers said:
Plus it's not worth it because some people click on a lot of ads on a page.
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yeah, and that is, what i would love to have the numbers for.

dealasite said:
If you're talking about conversions of your landing page, I would think the position of your ad would have no bearing on whether the visitor eventually converted or not.
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i tend to think so too. but then again, i am not too sure about this.
what makes me think like this, is the following scenario: let's say you got an ad position of like slot 10 or 11. next page that is.

someone clicking that link surely hasn't come to buy in the first place, has he? he was probably been worked up by all the other advertisments on the page before until he finally clicks yours. but is he a quality-click? a converting click?

this has of course to do with a lot of factors, but i really have a feeling, that the adposition has an influence too. my hypothesis: the lower the ad-position, the lower the conversion rate to get the customer to buy, sign-up or whatever.

but i need proof, numbers ;)

wie08e54 said:
All the spots? I haven't seen that. But most of the spots, certainly. It was even featured in a Google Techtalk. Of course different domains but with almost identical websites and IIRW, same whois. It was 2-3 years ago.
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oh cool, i will google this, thanks :)
 
I did this last year using multiple accounts, addresses, cards and the entire setup was shut down in about 2 weeks. My accounts all looked open but the ads were showing no impressions and after a week I mailed them and they told me they were investigating.

I had logged into the accounts using the same I.P on the same day :(

I now use a Vodafone 3G card which has random I.Ps and also shows different locations on each boot so I can be in London, Edinburgh or anywhere in seconds
 
Interesting you bring this up. I was in fact doing this on a small scale. offering two similar services (not identical) which used very similar and in many cases the same keywords.

I ran the sites for about a year before google realised what was going on. They 'joined' the two accounts so that only one site would show. Interesting as I was logging into adwords with the same static IP and the two sites were on the same server. Still took them a year to do anything.

Makes me wonder why it ended. either google got smart or someone complained.

I think if you really wanted to do this you could although I would debate whether it was worth the risk/reward.
 
maverick said:
I now use a Vodafone 3G card which has random I.Ps and also shows different locations on each boot so I can be in London, Edinburgh or anywhere in seconds
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that's fucking awesome. I've been looking into this thread since it started and it seems that IPs are the biggest culprit.

Everything else can easily be avoided by using multiple business names, servers, domains, and card numbers.
 
stanley said:
that's fucking awesome. I've been looking into this thread since it started and it seems that IPs are the biggest culprit.

Everything else can easily be avoided by using multiple business names, servers, domains, and card numbers.
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plus by using the adwords customer center and by never logging into the single adwords account but instead to only access it from the adwords professional management interface.

if you manage those accounts from the adwords pro interface, you are managing your "clients" accounts. so, that is why google does not get suspicious when they see the same ip.
 
I understand the greed logic behind the idea, but it wouldn't be very easy to do.. you'd be bidding against yourself. Alright, let's assume for a moment you were able to pull it off without getting banned or penalized for it, and you had all 8 spots.. as soon as a competitor comes into the space, all of your bids go up, and you have to enter a bidding war with them. But what if that competitor is someone like Ebay or Nextag who bid on EVERYTHING under the sun? It's a pretty good way to fuck yourself and your overall ROI. But hey, if you want to do it for bragging rights and you don't care how much you have to spend just to say you did it, knock yourself out. It's an interesting idea on paper, but in reality, it's pretty fucking stupid.
 
i know that some people have the the first 10 slots for some of their keyword phrases but not the first 8 adwords slots. i'm not sure that would be a good business model anyway, at least not for me
 
I'm no Adwords expert but I'm pretty good at getting around things like this.

Here's what I'd suggest:

1. Multiple accounts
2. Must have a whitelabel affiliate program, meaning it's your own form and you feed a advertiser on the backend. This way google can't see things like affiliate codes etc.
3. Use proxies to login to your Adwords accounts.
4. Mix total keywords in accounts, don't make them the exact same across all accounts.
5. Make your title/desc's different.

Using all those I just don't see how they could catch yah. The key being the white/private label sites.

Hope this helps
 
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