Paypal screwed one more third party processor

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Plimus a popular payment processors for paypal haters now NO more going to process payments for buyers willing to pay via paypal.

Dear Vendor,
We are writing to inform you of some changes to the way in which Plimus handles PayPal transactions.
These changes will be implemented in two phases. The first phase will start on December 9, 2011, when Plimus will cease offering PayPal as a centralized payment method. After that date, purchases made by shoppers via PayPal will no longer pass through the Plimus PayPal account, but will instead pass directly to each vendor’s own PayPal account. In order to take advantage of this feature, each vendor will need to provide some details on their PayPal account, as explained below.

this is so gay from paypal forcing third party processors to process payments to directly paypal instead of their own gateway. What are the other options left now to process paypal payments other than paypal itself as they are gay?
 


Yeah, Dwolla is looking pretty interesting. From what I understand they're network runs entirely through ACH transfers and ends up with no fees except $0.25 per transaction that they charge no matter how much you send. You don't have to keep a balance at Dwolla or anything. I truly hope this is the PayPal killer.
 
@poster, i use plimus and i got that same email from them.
i think another alternative to consider is 2checkout.

when paypal start having tough competitors, they will cool their fucking head down.
 
papajohn56 said:
people need to start looking into more paypal alternatives. One up and coming one is Dwolla: https://www.dwolla.com/default.aspx
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Dwalla can fuck right off too, just like PayPal, AlertPay, Plimus, ePassporte, MoneyBookers, and all those 3rd party processors. Proper merchant account from HSBC or wherever is the best way to go.

That, and I can't wait for that new VisaNET program (or whatever it's called) to roll out, so people can easily transfer from VISA -> VISA instantly. Wipe out all 3rd party processors. That will be nice. :)
 
Not sure how Dwolla works as the problem is every buyer online asks to pay via Gaypal. NO OTHER OPTION. Do Dwolla processes gaypal payments?

I want to know about a reliable payment processor which can process paypal payments and it should be other than 2co. As I heard bad things about them. Any suggestions?
 
I'd be willing to work with Dwolla. PayPal hasn't fucked me over -yet- but I keep hearing lots of bad stories. MoneyBookers doesn't seem to want to give me an account in a quick manner, either. :/
 
PayClick from Visa seems to be too limited and from what I understand you cannot withdraw from it back into a bank account. Maybe they have a new program, but I have not seen it.

Dwolla looks great, but they lack the credibility that would be given them if they were first on scene like PayPal or backed by a known name. This is not insurmountable, but still it will hinder growth unless some major market dynamic occurs, PayPal gets hit with severe bad press, or something else.

The problem with Dwolla is the same thing that they are claiming as a feature. They do not use any credit card numbers. This could limit expansion as they need local merchants to sign up for and use Dwolla specifically instead of allowing users to simply use a Dwolla Debit Card that uses Visa/MC/Amex/Disc processing - of course you can have Dwolla transfer to your bank account and then use your Bank's debit card, but that is an extra step and most people would prefer not having to take an extra step.

Hopefully a real bank will pick up on Dwolla, integrate it with a real account, and then have the low cost convenience of ACH based transfers combined with the automatic access of the funds via a truly FDIC bank backed account. This account would also have regulatory accountability which should limit the crazy problems that so many people have had in using their PayPal accounts.
 
Buyers won't user Dwolla. They're not going to allow an ACH for some small online payment and there is absolutely no protection. The only reason Dwolla has become so popular is Bitcoin.

Square on the other hand... I've been testing it and clients seem to like it so far.
 
This happened one month ago. The reason behind Plimus getting nuked is far more sinister than you'd think. However, Plimus was pretty foolish to put all of their eggs into one big basket over at PayPal.

PayPal takes no sides. Except with Ebay and two other companies I'm legally unable to mention publicly.

It is what it is. Accept it and move on.
 
I don't know about any changes on my current processor but so far, 2checkout does the job perfectly fine, without any issues.
 
Funny, because I just signed up for Plim' yesterday. That really sucks though that Paypal would do that and it kind of annoys me.

You guys think that buyers would even consider using Plimius? (without the option of using Paypal to pay for an item/service)
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Dwalla can fuck right off too, just like PayPal, AlertPay, Plimus, ePassporte, MoneyBookers, and all those 3rd party processors. Proper merchant account from HSBC or wherever is the best way to go.

That, and I can't wait for that new VisaNET program (or whatever it's called) to roll out, so people can easily transfer from VISA -> VISA instantly. Wipe out all 3rd party processors. That will be nice. :)
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Most banks are actually just reselling merchant services from bigger banks.

I do however find it difficult to get processing when your small with big banks. I have PayPal and 2CheckOut which both have the whole 3rd party interface going on but that sux. Don't people understand that an API is the way to go. Customers should never have to leave your site to complete an order! It also really limits what you can do on the cart!
 
nickCR said:
Most banks are actually just reselling merchant services from bigger banks.
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Depends on where you go, and I've never had a problem getting approved. Granted, last time I got a merchant account was before 2008 though. Just about to apply for another now with HSBC in Hong Kong, and don't see an issue, but you never know. But I've had loads -- AuthorizeNet, PlanetPayment, Worldpay, etc. They all suck too though. Rolling reserves, holding my money for 4 - 6 weeks, etc.

Best I've ever had was Moneris Solutions (Moneris: POS Payment Processing, Debit & Credit Card Processing), a joint venture between the largest two banks in Canada. None of this online balance, requesting withdrawals, fraud dept, and freezing funds bullshit, because it's tied directly into your business bank account. A card gets charged, the funds are in your bank account within 48 hours. Chargeback / refund comes in, funds are withdrawn from your bank account within 48 hours.

You screw up with too many chargebacks or fraudulent transactions, then your merchant account gets deleted. But until that happens, there's none of these barriers, restrictions, or any of the other bullshit that 3rd party processors come with. And that's how it should be. These 3rd party guys piss me off nowadays, and I don't trust any of them. You know, this is our livelihoods. If I'm having an issue with transacting payments, I don't want to go through PayPal or 2CheckOut support, which is miserable at best. I want to give Royal Bank of Canada a call, and be taken care of with professionalism.

nickCR said:
I have PayPal and 2CheckOut which both have the whole 3rd party interface going on but that sux. Don't people understand that an API is the way to go. Customers should never have to leave your site to complete an order! It also really limits what you can do on the cart!
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That's why you need to get a proper merchant account. With guys like PayPal and 2CO, you're not allowed to handle card data, or they'll lose their merchant accounts.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Dwalla can fuck right off too, just like PayPal, AlertPay, Plimus, ePassporte, MoneyBookers, and all those 3rd party processors. Proper merchant account from HSBC or wherever is the best way to go.

That, and I can't wait for that new VisaNET program (or whatever it's called) to roll out, so people can easily transfer from VISA -> VISA instantly. Wipe out all 3rd party processors. That will be nice. :)
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there's a fundamental difference between sites like Paypal/Dwolla/AlertPay and a real merchant account. while paypal offers merchant services, you can transfer between accounts, hold funds in, etc. this isn't the purpose of a merchant account. of course I know a real MID is better for processing, but if you're using it for transferring around purposes or such, it isn't a viable option.
 
Well it's time for me to look for a better way to pay less taxes, plimus + payoneer was a great way to get pp money out, but it's gone.
 
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