Physicist finds computer code embedded in the equations of how universe works



Don't get your hopes up kids, AI is a very VERY long way away from being a reality.
 
pewep said:
Don't get your hopes up kids, AI is a very VERY long way away from being a reality.
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That doesn't matter. If you believe it is possible, at all, ever (even if you think it will take a million years) -- then it's likely that it's already happened, somewhere. That's basically part #5 from my thought process above. If time/space is infinite then this shit ("AI" being developed) has probably already happened somewhere else. Out of infinite time and space, how likely is it that we are the FIRST *real* people to develop ai? And if we're not the first, then there are probably a shitload of simulated universes already.
 
lschmidt said:
After watching the video in the OP, I think the strongest argument for myself was the clip at the very end. I 100% believe all of the following:

1) Consciousness is a result of data being processed (i.e. our brain processes data input in the form of sight, smell, touch, taste, sound, etc.)

2) There is nothing magical about our brain, and at some point we will be able to reproduce exactly what it does in the form of a computer.

3) At that point, we will essentially be able to create consciousness "from nothing." That is to say, we will be able to run simulations of life in general.

4) Those simulations we create will be "virtual" universes, and there will be "people" in those universes that are "conscious" and unaware that they are part of a simulation.

5) At that point, since the number of simulated universes will greatly outnumber real life (like the guy in the video said), it's extremely unlikely that we are real.

Fuck my life...

Actually, this is sort of awesome. If you believe that theory, it could lead to a better life because you know this is "just a simulation." Carpe fucking diem!

Somebody correct me if I've left a gap in my logic, or if one of those points are invalid. The only way to invalidate it, that I can forsee, are arguments of religion (i.e. that our brain/existence *IS* "magical").

I now seem to have given myself only two possible outlooks on life: religion or simulation (and I've considered myself agnostic for years)

EDIT: The only thing holding me up from fully believing we are a simulation is that if time and space (the *real* time/space, assuming there is one -- otherwise this whole thought process is pointless) are infinite, then there are also infinite "real" universes. If there are infinite real universes and infinite simulated universes, then which is more likely that we are part of? Is it an equal chance?
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then why cant we hack/edit/glitch ourselves atm ?
 
lschmidt said:
That doesn't matter. If you believe it is possible, at all, ever (even if you think it will take a million years) -- then it's likely that it's already happened, somewhere. That's basically part #5 from my thought process above. If time/space is infinite then this shit ("AI" being developed) has probably already happened somewhere else. Out of infinite time and space, how likely is it that we are the FIRST *real* people to develop ai? And if we're not the first, then there are probably a shitload of simulated universes already.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it's not logically sound to say that if something could be possible at some point in the future, then it probably already exists somewhere now. Even if time and space is infinite, that doesn't mean all possible things all of a sudden exist simultaneously. There is still a timeline, even in an infinite amount of time, that is the nature of time itself.

I took a philosophy class on time and space, it's honestly one of the biggest mindfucks to think about. I do believe in the idea of infinite time though (IE there was no "beginning")
 
lschmidt said:
After watching the video in the OP, I think the strongest argument for myself was the clip at the very end. I 100% believe all of the following:

1) Consciousness is a result of data being processed (i.e. our brain processes data input in the form of sight, smell, touch, taste, sound, etc.)

2) There is nothing magical about our brain, and at some point we will be able to reproduce exactly what it does in the form of a computer.

3) At that point, we will essentially be able to create consciousness "from nothing." That is to say, we will be able to run simulations of life in general.

4) Those simulations we create will be "virtual" universes, and there will be "people" in those universes that are "conscious" and unaware that they are part of a simulation.

5) At that point, since the number of simulated universes will greatly outnumber real life (like the guy in the video said), it's extremely unlikely that we are real.

Fuck my life...

Actually, this is sort of awesome. If you believe that theory, it could lead to a better life because you know this is "just a simulation." Carpe fucking diem!

Somebody correct me if I've left a gap in my logic, or if one of those points are invalid. The only way to invalidate it, that I can forsee, are arguments of religion (i.e. that our brain/existence *IS* "magical").

I now seem to have given myself only two possible outlooks on life: religion or simulation (and I've considered myself agnostic for years)

EDIT: The only thing holding me up from fully believing we are a simulation is that if time and space (the *real* time/space, assuming there is one -- otherwise this whole thought process is pointless) are infinite, then there are also infinite "real" universes. If there are infinite real universes and infinite simulated universes, then which is more likely that we are part of? Is it an equal chance?
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How about if we are living in a simulation and the one who created this simulation is also a microscopic part of a simulation and the one who created that one is also a part of a simulation but doesn't know it (and it goes on and on and on up to infinity..)

It gets really empty if you think about it. So, nothing is real?
 
(O_o) said:
then why cant we hack/edit/glitch ourselves atm ?
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No idea. Maybe we can? Or maybe there are no bugs in this simulation? Maybe we're in a deeply nested simulation (simulation within a simulation within a ...) I wonder if simulated universes ever take over the universe that is simulating them (like skynet).
 
lschmidt said:
That doesn't matter. If you believe it is possible, at all, ever (even if you think it will take a million years) -- then it's likely that it's already happened, somewhere. That's basically part #5 from my thought process above. If time/space is infinite then this shit ("AI" being developed) has probably already happened somewhere else. Out of infinite time and space, how likely is it that we are the FIRST *real* people to develop ai? And if we're not the first, then there are probably a shitload of simulated universes already.
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Even if this were true (and I highly doubt we live in a "simulation"), does it really matter? Would that in any way detract from the quality of life you live? Personally if I found out I was just a little blip of an instance of a "human class" (programmers feel me), I'd be thrilled. It would be very liberating to have the chance to experience consciousness but still be "nothing" at the same time.

But on the other hand, I wouldn't exactly be nothing, would I? I would be the net result of the state of a collection of transistors (or the technological equivalent) of the "super" universe. While in this universe, human existence is defined (by atheists) as the collection of matter into an ordered form, I'd exist as the organized collection and direction of electrical (or whatever) impulses in the super universe.

In either case, even if I would be destroyed, those very same electrons would still pass through other transistors and the transistors themselves would retain other information, so the substance that held my consciousness would still be "indestructible", at least for a time (whatever that is in the super universe).
 
dchuk said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it's not logically sound to say that if something could be possible at some point in the future, then it probably already exists somewhere now. Even if time and space is infinite, that doesn't mean all possible things all of a sudden exist simultaneously. There is still a timeline, even in an infinite amount of time, that is the nature of time itself.

I took a philosophy class on time and space, it's honestly one of the biggest mindfucks to think about. I do believe in the idea of infinite time though (IE there was no "beginning")
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Yeah it's hard to wrap my mind around. I don't disagree with you either, but if there was no beginning and time goes infinitely into the past then I just feel like this all must have been done before. Or something like that. It's a half baked thought.
 
Stereotypical professor with whacky hair so must be legit.

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but notice the gap between the T and o.
 
pewep said:
Even if this were true (and I highly doubt we live in a "simulation"), does it really matter? Would that in any way detract from the quality of life you live? Personally if I found out I was just a little blip of an instance of a "human class" (programmers feel me), I'd be thrilled. It would be very liberating to have the chance to experience consciousness but still be "nothing" at the same time.

But on the other hand, I wouldn't exactly be nothing, would I? I would be the net result of the state of a collection of transistors (or the technological equivalent) of the "super" universe. While in this universe, human existence is defined (by atheists) as the collection of matter into an ordered form, I'd exist as the organized collection and direction of electrical (or whatever) impulses in the super universe.

In either case, even if I would be destroyed, those very same electrons would still pass through other transistors and the transistors themselves would retain other information, so the substance that held my consciousness would still be "indestructible", at least for a time (whatever that is in the super universe).
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I mostly agree with the idea "does it really matter?" I almost feel compelled to go out and live life *more* than I do now. Take more chances, travel, meet people, etc. Most people would call me a shy, introverted person.
 
lschmidt said:
Yeah it's hard to wrap my mind around. I don't disagree with you either, but if there was no beginning and time goes infinitely into the past then I just feel like this all must have been done before. Or something like that. It's a half baked thought.
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a better way to think about it is that if time is infinite, anything could possibly occur at some point in time.
 
dchuk said:
a better way to think about it is that if time is infinite, anything could possibly occur at some point in time.
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sigh...i love it when non-physicists debate such concepts. i guess you've never heard of the 2nd law of thermodynamics
 
pewep said:
Don't get your hopes up kids, AI is a very VERY long way away from being a reality.
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lol no its not

i guess it depends on what you would consider a "VERY" long way away?

we may only be there by about 0.10% by some estimates, but if we estimate according to moore's law, we will be there in about 18-20 years.
 
Napolean said:
lol no its not

i guess it depends on what you would consider a "VERY" long way away?

we may only be there by about 0.10% by some estimates, but if we estimate according to moore's law, we will be there in about 18-20 years.
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correct. we should be able to simulate a human brain within our lifetime (so roughly the next 50 years)
 
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