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For anyone else about to watch this just skip to the end where a cop is pulling some action hero crap on top of the hood.
It does appear to be pretty dramatic and what the guy on the hood is doing is NOT a recommended way to stop a car. Hopefully, he got days off without pay for that stunt.
There is a gap between the different in-car videos where we don't know what transpired to provoke the use of deadly force. I hope, for the shooting cops sake, there was some documentable reason.
I knew it was going to go south when the very first guy told his dispatcher a car had just tried to ram him. That was false and the whole thing went down hill from there.
There is a gap between the different in-car videos where we don't know what transpired to provoke the use of deadly force. I hope, for the shooting cops sake, there was some documentable reason.
I knew it was going to go south when the very first guy told his dispatcher a car had just tried to ram him. That was false and the whole thing went down hill from there.
Yeah I think we did miss some footage when it goes to two cameras. I watched the video again and at 1:30 the cop could have easily rammed the guy into the guardrail, then with no break in the footage at 2:05 the cop says, "I'm gonna take this guy out if I get a chance." What exactly he means by this could be taken 2 ways.
It seems like he could have been implying that the whole thing was premeditated after seeing that he could have easily rammed him 35 seconds prior and then the end result of the video...
And then we've got cop #3 jumping out of his car at the 3:40 mark and shooting about 5 rounds at the guys car for whatever reason, for the cops sake I hope that guy was armed.
It seems like he could have been implying that the whole thing was premeditated after seeing that he could have easily rammed him 35 seconds prior and then the end result of the video...
And then we've got cop #3 jumping out of his car at the 3:40 mark and shooting about 5 rounds at the guys car for whatever reason, for the cops sake I hope that guy was armed.
He was armed... with a 2 ton weapon. If, as they say in the news reports, the guy tried to run over a couple cops, they may very well have been justified in using deadly force. I imagine video of those incidents probably exists (from some of the other squad cars) but we didn't get to see those.
According to what I read, that's why the first officer shot at the car about half way through the video. We couldn't see what was going on over where the offenders car was.
I've watched and rewatched the end of the video and can't tell but the officer that was on the hood claims he was hit by the car, throwing him onto the hood. If that turns out to be true, it'll likely be ruled a good shoot. He was on the car, the car was moving and he was at risk of incurring great bodily harm or death.
The officers involved are on paid administrative leave, which is pretty standard after a shooting, until the investigation is completed.
Could it have been handled differently, with a different outcome? Of course. There are almost always several options. But, we're playing armchair quarterback here. We're looking at a very tiny slice of the evidence and making judgements.
If the officer on the hood actually was hit and thrown onto the hood, I'll be obligated to retract my earlier statement about days off. I made that statement without doing anything other than watching the video. I know better and have since collected a little more information. My bad.
The fact is, none of us have all the information that is available to the investigators who will make a final determination in the case.
I don't like it much when edited or partial videos like this are released. They frequently show a biased view of the actual events, causing people to react, sometimes negatively.
According to what I read, that's why the first officer shot at the car about half way through the video. We couldn't see what was going on over where the offenders car was.
I've watched and rewatched the end of the video and can't tell but the officer that was on the hood claims he was hit by the car, throwing him onto the hood. If that turns out to be true, it'll likely be ruled a good shoot. He was on the car, the car was moving and he was at risk of incurring great bodily harm or death.
The officers involved are on paid administrative leave, which is pretty standard after a shooting, until the investigation is completed.
Could it have been handled differently, with a different outcome? Of course. There are almost always several options. But, we're playing armchair quarterback here. We're looking at a very tiny slice of the evidence and making judgements.
If the officer on the hood actually was hit and thrown onto the hood, I'll be obligated to retract my earlier statement about days off. I made that statement without doing anything other than watching the video. I know better and have since collected a little more information. My bad.
The fact is, none of us have all the information that is available to the investigators who will make a final determination in the case.
I don't like it much when edited or partial videos like this are released. They frequently show a biased view of the actual events, causing people to react, sometimes negatively.
The cop had every right. The guy wouldn't stop and when he crashed into him and thought he had him stopped, the cop jumped out of his car and the guy was driving toward him. He was being assaulted with a deadly weapon and had a reasonable fear for his life. That gives him every right to shoot to kill the person who is endangering him.
You guys say- I hope this cop gets punished!!! That's fuckin stupid. If you run from the cops and get caught, then try to run them over- you deserve to be shot in the face. It's not like the guy was innocent and got pulled over and the cop jumped on the hood and shot him in the face for no reason. If that was you and you were about to get run over, you could only hope you were bad ass enough to jump up on the hood into perfect kneeling position and get 5 perfect shots off.
You guys say- I hope this cop gets punished!!! That's fuckin stupid. If you run from the cops and get caught, then try to run them over- you deserve to be shot in the face. It's not like the guy was innocent and got pulled over and the cop jumped on the hood and shot him in the face for no reason. If that was you and you were about to get run over, you could only hope you were bad ass enough to jump up on the hood into perfect kneeling position and get 5 perfect shots off.
Hmmm....let's see here, bad guy steals car, cops chase bad guy, bad guy tries to ram cop, cop shoots bad guy. OK, I'm cool with it. Now there is 1 less bad guy to try and steal my car or hurt my family while he is driving 100 mph down city streets. Bye, Bye bad guy. It may sound cold hearted but hey, crime is rising everywhere, and it jails and prisons are over crowded, so problem solved 1 criminal at a time. Maybe others will learn too.
was the car stolen? Our prisons are over crowded because of the war on drugs. Something like 59% of people in jail are there for drug related offenses.
You could hear them say in the video the vehicle was stolen. And I don't care why the prisons are over crowded, they just are. Why are those people in there? They broke the law, so boo hoo. I think the United States needs the death penalty, not just a couple of states. Murder, rape, child molestation, you get the chair bitch. And not this sit on death row for 25 years either, 1 year, that's all you get then we flip the switch.
Lately, I find myself being less in favor of capital
punishment. Not for any moral reasons about not wanting to take another human life or any of that crap. I'm on the fence because I don't believe they always have the right person.
Believe it or not, our judicial system, although usually a pretty good one, does have its flaws. There ARE truly innocent people in prison for things they did not do.
Capital punishment completely removes the ability of anyone to ever go back and say, "Oops, we made a mistake. Sorry."
I'm also not in favor of mandatory prison sentences for "victimless crimes." Our prison system is overloaded with people who are doing time for things that didn't hurt anyone or cause any damage to anyone or anything but themselves.
The "war on drugs" is a perfect example. If you're selling or giving harmful substances to children or others who cannot choose for themselves, shame on you and you deserve to be punished. But, if you get caught with your own personal stash, who's the vicitm?
I can go on and on... but I won't.
I agree with you there 100%. I am talking about when we have solid evidence, or confessions. Something where there is no doubt we have the right person. In college I did a research paper on capital punishment, and to see the numbers of what it costs to house prisoners for a year is more than most Americans make!! It is ridiculous. Prime example, I have a friend who is a prison guard at Utah State Prison, he works on death row. These guys tell him how they murdered people and sick shit like that. But yet most of them have been on death row for 15+ years. That is the stuff that chaps my ass. Convict is 100% guilty, and yet they get a better life than most of the homeless on the US. He has told me some of the things these guys did, and it is way more sick than you could imagine, I will spare the details.
Sure, there are exceptions. Keep in mind though, there are nuts who confess to things they did not do, just for the
notoriety. And their confessions, if they result in confinement, not only imprison the wrong person but close the case and allow the bad guy to keep prowling the streets.
Evidence can also be incomplete or corrupted, yet still seem to be absolutey convincing and damning. There must be a solution, I just don't happen to know what it is.
You have no idea what I can imagine or know to be true, believe me. Even in the case of the most sick and depraved thing you can wildly imagine, there is someone out there who has done it, is doing it or is thinking of doing it.
It bothers me, a lot, that there is not a more perfect solution. There likely never will be.
On that note, I apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread and getting on a soapbox. Sorry.
I second that.
And if you wanted to continue to discuss this, we could start a new thread. I think this is one of those subjects that really may never have a perfect solution.
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