PPC direct to merchant & your landing pages

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I was reading another post and saw some people having some difficulty with this topic. You want to send the clicker right to the merchant's landing page, but if you do, you have to have your display url match your destination url. So what can you do?

Well it's easy really. First make a "catch all" mall type site that you can put everything you're promoting on. So say you're promoting dog collars, hair gel and kangaroo adoption. Your mall type site would have a very general page for each of those, (your generic landing page), then you would link them all together on your main index page. (you can get as professional as you want with the design, up to you).

So you have domain name: xyz.com

You put the following on the index page:

- link to xyz.com/dog-collars
- link to xyz.com/hair-gel
- link to xyz.com/kangaroo-adoption

Then you make a general landing page for each of those offers above with a cloaked affiliate link leading to the merchants main page. (Cloaked just means a redirect using php or whatever you want, you don't want google to penalize your site as being an affiliate site due to affiliate links).

Now when making your ads, you put the display url as "xyz.com" and the target url as "xyz.com/dog-collars", (for example). Add one keyword to adgroup called "delete me". You are going to add your keywords later and each keyword is going to have it's own url attached to it.

Go through all the steps to set up the adgroup as you usually would after that, don't worry about your bid, set it to anything you want because the only keyword is "delete me" and you're going to delete it later.

Say your dog collar site has 150 different types of dog collars and being a smart ppc marketer, you want specific keywords to go to specific merchant landing pages. So open up excel, (or notepad or whatever you want to use) and use this:

keyword1**0.25**http://www.merchanturl.com/dog-collar-one
keyword2**0.25**http://www.merchanturl.com/dog-collar-two

etc...

Now use the "quick add" feature and input your list into your adgroup. That shows your keyword, the bid for that keyword and the url for that keyword. This is the good part. You are showing google the SAME display url and destination url, so they're happy. BUT you are sending clicks to specific merchant landing pages that are NOT on your domain. No redirects, no low quality score. If google checks your destination url, they're happy because sure enough, there's an ad for the merchant there. It's not a bridge page because it's part of your "mall" and google LOVES that.

So now you've got around their redirect b.s. and everyone is happy. The clicker is going to the merchant directly and google is not screwing you over with high bids due to a low quality landing page. (When they check the page, they check the merchants page not your general one.) The key is that adwords currently does NOT cross reference things. I hope no one from there reads this because I'm sure they'll put an end to it if they do... I've used this method for several programs and it works everytime so far.

Anyhow, that's how you do it. Hope it made sense.

:rasta:

 


The clicker is going to the merchant directly and google is not screwing you over with high bids due to a low quality landing page. (When they check the page, they check the merchants page not your general one.) The key is that adwords currently does NOT cross reference things. I hope no one from there reads this because I'm sure they'll put an end to it if they do... I've used this method for several programs and it works everytime so far.

Anyhow, that's how you do it. Hope it made sense.

:rasta:


that is genious. it really makes sense. after you setup an adgroup, they leave it up to the bot to check whether the target-url on keyword-level exists at all, and if there are no negative reports from that side, they just check on a high-level for correctness of target/display-url.

i am gonna give ppc2offer a new try with this and see how it works out, thanks!
 
Is there anything in the TOS that says the final destination of the url in the keyword list should be the same as the display URL?
 
The display URL needs to be the one (domain) where the visitor ends up with. You can use your clickbank or azoogle link as the destination URL as long as the display URL matches the target.

Example:

Display URL = keywordelite.com
destination URL: userid.keywordel.clickbank.net

Chris
 
You are making some pretty big assumptions here. Like Google "loves" a mall type page - which they don't. It's too untargeted for the specific ad going to it, with all the other stuff on it.
 
The display URL needs to be the one (domain) where the visitor ends up with. You can use your clickbank or azoogle link as the destination URL as long as the display URL matches the target.

Example:

Display URL = keywordelite.com
destination URL: userid.keywordel.clickbank.net

Chris

Thanks, but that's the general rule. I was referencing specifically the destination URL attached to a keyword, like this keyword**0.25**http://whatever which is what the original post is talking about. So if your display URL for the *ad* matches the *ad's* destination URL, but your *keyword* url goes somewhere else, is that a direct violation?
 
Thanks, but that's the general rule. I was referencing specifically the destination URL attached to a keyword, like this keyword**0.25**http://whatever which is what the original post is talking about. So if your display URL for the *ad* matches the *ad's* destination URL, but your *keyword* url goes somewhere else, is that a direct violation?

there is no such thing as "ad"-url or "keyword"-url from google's point of view.

there are just the terms display- and the destination-url being used.
so, it doesn't matter, whether you define the destination-url on the ad-level or on the keyword-level. it is still the destination-url.

if they don't match, you violate the tos, yes.

Google AdWords: Learning Center
 
You are making some pretty big assumptions here. Like Google "loves" a mall type page - which they don't. It's too untargeted for the specific ad going to it, with all the other stuff on it.

well, the general idea would be to point the target-url on adgroup-level to a keyword optimized page. i think, the original poster suggested exactly that that.

those would be optimized landing pages, specifically optimized and maybe even having a much better score than the landing pages from the merchant.

the question now is, what would have the highest influence on your overall qs: the qs you receive for the landing page on adgroup-level, or the qs for the merchants page on keyword-level.
 
You are making some pretty big assumptions here. Like Google "loves" a mall type page - which they don't. It's too untargeted for the specific ad going to it, with all the other stuff on it.
Straight for the horses mouth my friend, no assumptions here at all. They want a "mall like" experience for their users. Actual "landing pages" no longer exist, they have to be part of a larger "landing site" now in order to get a decent quality score. They count links on the domain, internal and external, (again not an assumption). The more related all the things in the mall are, the better, but not necessary.

Btw, the actual ad, when clicked, doesn't even go to the mall, it goes to the specific merchant landing page, which is as targetted as you can get. You can do all this by just using the merchants url in your display url, but then you are competing with everyone and their brother and the almightly google will only show ONE ad per display url.
 
Then you make a general landing page for each of those offers above with a cloaked affiliate link leading to the merchants main page. (Cloaked just means a redirect using php or whatever you want, you don't want google to penalize your site as being an affiliate site due to affiliate links).

I have not experimented with google ppc yet because I am a little intimidated by the landing page quality BS. That being said, this post brings up a question I have...

So a landing page will be penalized for having affiliate links?

My idea of a landing page is a one-page site that promotes the product with keyword sales verbage and handful of "Click Here for More Info" affiliate links. I thought this would be enough to pass the landing page quality score and avoid penalties for linking directly to the vendor offer page.

I guess this is not the case???
 
Pie, that used to be the case, but now they're very picky. Word on the street is if you have a one page wonder, you will be crushed by high min. bids. I actually experienced this a couple times, most recently last November when a high earning site got "slapped" because it was just a landing page. After several emails and phone calls to the mighty goog, I found out the problem and fixed it. The problem was I had a one page wonder that ONLY had affiliate links outgoing.

Now you either need a "landing site" full of filler and content relative to your product or service OR you can link right to the merchant as I described above. Mind you I will be you they change this too in the next couple months as they love to tinker with things just to frustrate guys like me... :)
 
Thanks for the info...couple more q's...
Unfortunately I don't know how to cloak my links but I do know how to setup a domain redirect. Does google accept this format without penalty?

Also, Would I pass the quality scoring if I made a 5 page site containing 1 sales pitch page and 4 targeted article pages? I could bury the article page links on the bottom of the sales page to avoid losing my audience. What do you think?
 
Nice post beejeebers however I'm thick as they come or misunderstand something......

Your display url shows on the ad as .......xyz.com/dogcollar
Your destination url (setting up ad) is.....xyz.com/dogcollar
Keyword (at start) .............................delete me

Launch ad

Then you add keywords to the adgroup as follows

Keyword1*0.25*merchantpage.com/dogcollar1
etc.
Then delete delete me

My question is
1./ Surely the display and destination would be different now for keywords
2./ How does the merchant know who to pay the commission? Or would it work with a cj id included url for example. Which would STILL be a different url to the display???

Or am I missing the point that you set up a redirect landing page for each keyword and THAT is what the destination url should be?

If this post sounds thick I appologise but I am trying to work out how I can have my site in display and the merchants site in the destination url for keyword.

Would fancy trying it but not quite clear I've understood properly:)

And yes I'm a bloody nooby sorry!!
 
beejeebers,

it took me 3 re-reads of your post before I knew what the fuck you were talking about. now that I understand I applaud you! this is fuckin wicked. I'm tired of iframing the merchant page, this is great. :D

thanks dude!

tob
 
beejeebers,

it took me 3 re-reads of your post before I knew what the fuck you were talking about. now that I understand I applaud you! this is fuckin wicked. I'm tired of iframing the merchant page, this is great. :D

thanks dude!

tob

I am right there with you (with the confusion). Definitely applying these concepts right away!
 
I was reading another post and saw some people having some difficulty with this topic. You want to send the clicker right to the merchant's landing page, but if you do, you have to have your display url match your destination url. So what can you do?

Well it's easy really. First make a "catch all" mall type site that you can put everything you're promoting on. So say you're promoting dog collars, hair gel and kangaroo adoption. Your mall type site would have a very general page for each of those, (your generic landing page), then you would link them all together on your main index page. (you can get as professional as you want with the design, up to you).

So you have domain name: xyz.com

You put the following on the index page:

- link to xyz.com/dog-collars
- link to xyz.com/hair-gel
- link to xyz.com/kangaroo-adoption

Then you make a general landing page for each of those offers above with a cloaked affiliate link leading to the merchants main page. (Cloaked just means a redirect using php or whatever you want, you don't want google to penalize your site as being an affiliate site due to affiliate links).

Now when making your ads, you put the display url as "xyz.com" and the target url as "xyz.com/dog-collars", (for example). Add one keyword to adgroup called "delete me". You are going to add your keywords later and each keyword is going to have it's own url attached to it.

Go through all the steps to set up the adgroup as you usually would after that, don't worry about your bid, set it to anything you want because the only keyword is "delete me" and you're going to delete it later.

Say your dog collar site has 150 different types of dog collars and being a smart ppc marketer, you want specific keywords to go to specific merchant landing pages. So open up excel, (or notepad or whatever you want to use) and use this:

keyword1**0.25**http://www.merchanturl.com/dog-collar-one
keyword2**0.25**http://www.merchanturl.com/dog-collar-two

etc...

Now use the "quick add" feature and input your list into your adgroup. That shows your keyword, the bid for that keyword and the url for that keyword. This is the good part. You are showing google the SAME display url and destination url, so they're happy. BUT you are sending clicks to specific merchant landing pages that are NOT on your domain. No redirects, no low quality score. If google checks your destination url, they're happy because sure enough, there's an ad for the merchant there. It's not a bridge page because it's part of your "mall" and google LOVES that.

So now you've got around their redirect b.s. and everyone is happy. The clicker is going to the merchant directly and google is not screwing you over with high bids due to a low quality landing page. (When they check the page, they check the merchants page not your general one.) The key is that adwords currently does NOT cross reference things. I hope no one from there reads this because I'm sure they'll put an end to it if they do... I've used this method for several programs and it works everytime so far.

Anyhow, that's how you do it. Hope it made sense.

:rasta:


I dont understand a damn thing you just said. Could you make a graphical tutorial possibly? I WOULD BUY IT :P

Here's how my newbie mind understood what you said.

You build a bullshit webpage with links on your home page to different pages of specific things (viagra, smoking, fat loss).
Then on each specific page, lets say smoking, you have a small article and an affiliate link to a merchant.

In adwords you build an ad with your URL as xyz.com and your destination URL as xyz.com/smoking

Here is where you lost me: "build an adgroup called delete me???"

Then you have keywords ---

lets say I pick "black lungs" for smoking

then for the destination URL for that keyword "black lungs" I put my affiliate URL in it???
 
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