PPV Funny Business
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I'm much more concerned with an incredibly clever 30k target list that I scraped of extremely long tail and profitable url's suddenly having 1 other person on ALL of the 30k targets within 24 hours of volume ramping.
Gets old real quick.
Gets old real quick.
Hate to suggest but the only way I could see that happening is the platform "sharing" your campaign. They see you up your bids and volume, guess you're profiting and steal your legwork.
I disagree.
rarely do successful/growing ad networks decrease their rates over time. As their overall volume grows they become more of a substantial force in the ad industry and big brands flock to big traffic sources and pay big bucks to keep their ads running with broad exposure even if it means expensive rates
no shit, im having the same thing happen to me right now. Ive had 1 campaign running smoothly for a long time with not much competition.
i have alot of out of the box words i bid on and all of the sudden i have 1 other person bidding on all of them at the same time.
I thought they might be feeding keyword lists to big advertisers, or maybe doing stuff internally.
If so fuck them
This doesn't surprise me at all.
Ask yourself this question: What would you do if YOU were given unfettered access to the raw campaign data of thousands of affs?
Now imagine a guy who just got hired a few months ago by company x and knows very little about AM. He was hired as a data wrangler. And now he is starting to figure out what it all means --- Bingo!
not internal
Its not the ad networks.>TV et al generate WAY too much rev to jeapordize their biz.
Its not the ad networks.>TV et al generate WAY too much rev to jeapordize their biz.
If you are bidding on the same targets in more than one campaign, you could be bidding against yourself. I noticed this happening on DirectCPV the other day. I setup one campaign, there was no competition on the targets. I setup another campaign 5 minutes later with a few of the same targets and hit "Make My Bid Highest", and bam! It increased it higher than my previous bid and now my first campaign is in 2nd place with one competitor showing.
I disagree
While this is some what true on a small scale, looks at what just happened with FB, Google, Adsonar, P360 and several media buys.
Massive injection of affiliates at different times during the Acai/biz op craze caused saturation and exploding cpc/cpm prices. People lose money or become unprofitable or get kicked due to policy changes and about 80% of the saturation goes away. Whats left is the bigger players, but the prices come back down as well. I can get on Google, p360, and FB for way cheaper then I use to 6 months ago, almost the same prices I paid back in mid 2008.
Saturation happens, prices go up while inventory goes down, the bigger/better players make money and the losers drop out, prices fall ( thought not always to the same level as before saturation ) and inventory opens up.
Google and FB are perfect examples of this. Im not counting networks that wont even budge their pricing like Adblade.
The fact is.. PPV didnt even get as big as it is now until Google and FB kicked a lot of people out and everyone ran to do PPV as their magic bullet. While the better marketers knew of cpv/ppv a long time ago, a lot of the problems there now are caused by people that only knew Google or FB and got kicked and then decided to try PPV because a wave of "gurus" pushed it after the massive google affiliate slap.
This does happen and will show up as another bidder as I have seen it personally on TV.
However, I have tried test campaigns on very obscure urls and kw's no one would bid on and once I raised my spending on the campaign and started to allow myself more traffic, i would have 3-4 advertisers over night. I even would lower my bids and spy on their ads only to find it was a lot of scammy ads for pages that looks a lot like parking domains with yahoo/adsense ads kinda. It was NEVER something that looked like an affiliate LP pushing a product.. just something that looked like a parked domain page or a generic search engine on the same term with adsense ads all over the page.
Looks to me either an internal job or feeding urls/kws to a bigger fish to sponge off of. I accept it though as it happens in other places where I know the ad network is running internally as well.
PPVBot - Optimize Your CPV Campaings Now! - This just came out as Beta. Not sure if this will be good or bad.
Thoughts? Info also at http://ppvdomination.com/ ?
I have no affili.. just sharing.
Thoughts? Info also at http://ppvdomination.com/ ?
I have no affili.. just sharing.
that shit isnt self hosted
no way in fucking hell anyone who isnt a fucking moron is going to use something like that.
seriously these noobs are driving me nuts.
YOU DONT HAVE TO BE IN FIRST POSITION, YOU CAN BID THE SAME AS THE CURRENT HIGH BID AND SPLIT THE TRAFFIC. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU'VE READ, TEST IT YOURSELF.
Urls I've had for 6 months with 2 or 3 people all bidding the same are now constantly in bidding wars that last 2 weeks until the new asshole drops out. The difference between being #1 and getting an extra 10-20% traffic over what you would get if you were both #2 and meanwhile doubling your bid in the process and wasting time.....
YOU DONT HAVE TO BE IN FIRST POSITION, YOU CAN BID THE SAME AS THE CURRENT HIGH BID AND SPLIT THE TRAFFIC. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU'VE READ, TEST IT YOURSELF.
Urls I've had for 6 months with 2 or 3 people all bidding the same are now constantly in bidding wars that last 2 weeks until the new asshole drops out. The difference between being #1 and getting an extra 10-20% traffic over what you would get if you were both #2 and meanwhile doubling your bid in the process and wasting time.....
This is plea to all the "gurus" out there right now, please at least explain this to your sheep. They think they have to be #1 or they are doing it wrong and its very obvious they don't understand how this works.
Let them lose their 1k and move on. It is better this week. Bid is not as insane as before.
I got a piece of the software leaked to me, it was from the programmer who made PPVdomination. I was asking for an update of my bot and he sent this guys backend admin EXE instead. Apparently if you enter in an IP (Im pretty sure he gives each user a dedicated IP) it will scrape all there account information and targets for Kyle, the owner of ppvdomination. Ill post screenshots here in a second.
I could not test this myself as i dont have any of the current ips handy (im sure hes the only one who knows or can see them) BUT i have talked to users and i know its all web based, and he doesn't hand out a single exe to anyone. Honestly anyone who uses a web-based system to handle there bids should expect all there top camps to get stolen, if its not on a DB via your side, then its in a DB via his side.