Preventing Scrubbing on Email Submits

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In a thread from 2 months ago (closed now, so I can't reply to it), ROIShare wrote:

"Handling Your Campaign: This is VERY important. 95% of submits will start scrubbing you soon after you bring a dozen or so conversions. Typically this happens within 24 hours. So what you must do is rotate your submits frequently. Have 10 email submits at hand, and every 12 hours, rotate another one in, and keep repeating the cycle. This will minimize the amount of scrubbing you get on your campaign."​

I'm not quite clear on what that means. I've definitely noticed that scrubbing starts soon - often in much less than 24 hours. But I don't understand how the strategy above can reduce the scrubbing on any particular offer...

Here's what I don't get:

A) You say scrubbing will start after you bring in about a dozen (12) conversions. You also say to keep each offer running for 12 hours before rotating it out, and that prevents scrubbing. So you must be assuming that in 12 hours, one would not get more than 12 conversions on an email submit offer. If you're getting only 12 conversions in 12 hours on an email submit, profits would be so minuscule that I couldn't imagine anyone thinking that is worth their time to set it up or manage. Please explain.

B) If scrubbing starts after about 12 conversions, so you cut off your traffic once you've reached that point (by rotating in a different offer), isn't the scrubbing going to start the instant you rotate the original offer back in in a few days? Or does scrubbing reset itself each day or something? (in my experience it does not). Please explain.

Thanks.

PS If there are any other techniques for preventing email submit scrubbing, I'm all ears.
 


What i feel is Email Submits does a lot of Scrub, thats why i never think of promoting email submits. No doubt i have not experienced it myself but heard a lot of scrubbing thing in various forums.
 
Alright, I get the point - I didn't realize that ROIShare was blacklisted around here.

@ bb_wolfe - If your Jedi sense is telling you that I am the former ROIShare, you need to take your sense in for a tune-up. If I was ROIShare I probably wouldn't be pointing out that what he wrote doesn't make sense.
 
Cataclysmic said:
"Handling Your Campaign: This is VERY important. 95% of submits will start scrubbing you soon after you bring a dozen or so conversions. Typically this happens within 24 hours. So what you must do is rotate your submits frequently. Have 10 email submits at hand, and every 12 hours, rotate another one in, and keep repeating the cycle. This will minimize the amount of scrubbing you get on your campaign."​
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LOL

The math there is just fucking priceless. What has '24 hours' got to do with anything if you get scrubbed after a dozen conversions? Where are these numbers from? Why every 12 hours? What the fuck are you doing wasting your time getting 2 email submit conversions an hour?

There is so much that is completely fucking wrong about that advise there. Not to mention that he basically ripped the original poll method for email submits posted here two years ago and then posted it on another forum, pretending it was his own. Except he added his own retarded advise on the end. Fuck.Tard.
 
Well, instead of switching between email submit offers manually, you could just throw up a script that does the rolling for you. Instead of rolling between those 10-12 different offers manually, the script will randomly choose an offer when the user enters the landing page and set the correct output links. If you don't have a landing page, make the tracker or a redirect script do the job.
 
to make a blatant statement that all zip subs scrub after 12 conv is such childish bullshit.
Ive sent 1000's of convs and not had scrubs...
rotating is one way, but when you run subs its not if, its a when proposition. They all scrub, sooner or later. There isnt a constant you can work with. Splashing in media traffic with google/ysm and msn is one way to keep traffic quality up for the sub co, but these are just temporary $$$ options for AM..real AM's run more substantial offers that have longevity and volume..

Challenge: Show me ONE mega affiliate that does six figs a month on JUST subs...bet they dont exist.
 
There really is no sure fire way to avoid scrubbing on email submits, it's not possible. Advertisers evaluate quality after a certain number and begin scrubbing - in my experience it cools down every 30 days.

EMail Submits are not bad at all - it's coming back stronger than ever. Just get a few days of great ROI on it then pause your campaigns. Wait a week or two then run some testing on it again.
 
Not to out anyone but Harry1979 does a killing on email submits. Maybe not 6 figs a month, but IIRC a few k a day at least. bb_wolfe prob does them too. Go through their posts.

I don't know about any fixed numbers for scrubbing, but get a script that just keeps rotating different submit offers across multiple networks.
 
bluebuddha said:
Not to out anyone but Harry1979 does a killing on email submits. Maybe not 6 figs a month, but IIRC a few k a day at least. bb_wolfe prob does them too. Go through their posts.

I don't know about any fixed numbers for scrubbing, but get a script that just keeps rotating different submit offers across multiple networks.
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harry1979 --> harry1970:xmas-smiley-016:

But yes, he's banking.
 
Harry put a LOT of work in to do that (probably still does) - I remember when he started out in the PPC coach forum and he was doing like 20+ polls a day. Fair play to him.
 
no disrespect to Harry ( Ive read his posts and he shares alot here), but subs have limited capacity. $1k /day might seem like a grand slam home run to some, and Im not gonna clown anyone who's doing that volume. But if you want to go BIG, and Im talking 6 figs plus a month, zips just aint gonna do it. $30k a month might be someones final goal...and theres nothing wrong with that.
Now, that being said, zips/address subs et al are gaining popularity. Take a moment and see why advertisers run them (lead gen et al) and then you get a better idea about how they work, how to utilize them et al. Fill a few out and get a better idea on what you are trying to get your click to do for your $1 etc too...

Ive ran a shit ton of subs and made some good bank, all to have it scrub down to 1% conv...and with the best possible traffic (no 2nd tier, social etc). IMHO, put some time into viable offers and you will have less headaches, AND more scalable opportunities.

Zips will NEVER be fire and forget...
 
knukk said:
Well, instead of switching between email submit offers manually, you could just throw up a script that does the rolling for you.
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affiliatearmy said:
Ive sent 1000's of convs and not had scrubs... rotating is one way
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tacoX said:
Just get a few days of great ROI on it then pause your campaigns. Wait a week or two then run some testing on it again.
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bluebuddha said:
but get a script that just keeps rotating different submit offers across multiple networks
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You guys are all saying the exact same thing - rotate the offers; stop them and then start them up again later. But I don't get why. In my original post one of my questions was "If scrubbing starts after (a certain number of) conversions, so you cut off your traffic once you've reached that point (by rotating in a different offer), isn't the scrubbing going to start the instant you rotate the original offer back in in a few days? Or does scrubbing reset itself each day or something? (in my experience it does not)."

It doesn't make sense to me why offers would not scrub simply because you rotate the offers. Can anyone explain?

Thanks.
 
Here is something I have learned the wrong way, after lots of money and time on my end. Email and zip submits may seem like the thing to promote, but in the end, the advertisers are scrubbing you without sympathy.

So, I encourage you all to move onto a product with a higher payout. Reach higher, and set some goals. Let the advertisers know that their shit isn't going to be tolerated.
 
affiliatearmy said:
no disrespect to Harry ( Ive read his posts and he shares alot here), but subs have limited capacity. $1k /day might seem like a grand slam home run to some, and Im not gonna clown anyone who's doing that volume. But if you want to go BIG, and Im talking 6 figs plus a month, zips just aint gonna do it. $30k a month might be someones final goal...and theres nothing wrong with that.
Now, that being said, zips/address subs et al are gaining popularity. Take a moment and see why advertisers run them (lead gen et al) and then you get a better idea about how they work, how to utilize them et al. Fill a few out and get a better idea on what you are trying to get your click to do for your $1 etc too...

Ive ran a shit ton of subs and made some good bank, all to have it scrub down to 1% conv...and with the best possible traffic (no 2nd tier, social etc). IMHO, put some time into viable offers and you will have less headaches, AND more scalable opportunities.

Zips will NEVER be fire and forget...
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I agree with you about promoting submits.

What about being on the advertisers side? I imagine you could perhaps get into some much higher numbers if you were the one designing, offering and scrubbing the email submits instead of promoting them.

Now that's a side of submits I might be interested in someday.
 
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