Professional Copywriters and Designers of WF?

I’ve been around the marketplace (meh.) and watched some of the self-combusting designer threads of late, and I know I’ve seen comments by other pros in copywriting and design in other discussions, but I didn’t pay close enough attention.

I like to know who the other pros are around the forum to build a professional and referral network at WF. I’ve had a few clients ask me for referrals lately, and I drew some blanks. I know everyone but me is making millions slinging berries, but if you’re a professional copywriter or designer (in addition to selling whatever) can you post a quick hello in the thread? It would be great to know who writes the flogs, does serious design work and does the long-form sales letters around here since I get occasional requests that I’d love to refer over to the people who handle such things. (I don’t.)

Oh, and not to be discriminating, but if you don’t have a professional presence online outside of your sales thread, I’m probably not comfortable referring others to you, but maybe you’re still working on your site. Anyone care to put out their shingle?
 


I think wf has some of the best copywriters and designers of any forum. Look for the high reply count threads in the BST and read the reviews from the senior members. The thing that sets the wf designers and writers apart is their knowledge of marketing not just with the writing and design skills. They tend to be a lot more independant as far as knowing what to write and how it should look. Other forum writers and designers only know how to do the trade and require enormous amounts of assistance in making it high converting.
 
I've done some writing in the financial niche, mainly debt and insurance but I am doing more investment articles at the moment and I have done some business to business work. I'm currently studying the AWAI course - so I'm relatively cheap but hopefully that won't last as I'm a trained accountant and I live in the UK. It would help if I had a website
 
I'm here. I guess I'm a pro... though I was told recently that my work was crap by a prospective client who had looked at my portfolio, and that if they had known how shitty I was they would have never bothered talking to me in the first place, LoL :D

Win some lose some I guess.

That being said, I'm too busy to think and don't have any openings til some time in the new year.
 
Great - Deliguy, I agree that many of the marketers around WF are awesome copywriters. I was primarily looking for those writers who know their way around serious marketing and serious writing, but accept writing projects from marketers who choose to outsource some of the higher end products.

For example, I doubt most of the high converters around here are interested in writing weight loss flogs for other marketers, even at $0.10 a word, but I don't accept those projects and can't seem to find someone who writes at the same level most of my clients already do when they choose to write themselves. Maybe these suggestions will lead me to the right people.

In most client case at this level, it's a time is money thing - not an ability problem. It's probably the same reason Fatbat had his experience. The client can probably do an awesome job, but is looking for someone who can do the same thing he would but without him (or her) having to take time away from more lucrative projects to handle it. Fatbat, I've had a similar experience actually because I couldn't mimic the style the client was seeking - it was too technical and "codish" for the likes of me - hence the need to find other top pros to refer when I know I'll be out of my league or comfort zone. :)

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone - keep them coming. I'm sure a few others are benefiting.
 
I have a friend who wants to make copywriting a career. I told her to troll some of the more popular forums and marketplaces to get a feel for what's out there...do you have any advice for aspiring copywriters?


Great - Deliguy, I agree that many of the marketers around WF are awesome copywriters. I was primarily looking for those writers who know their way around serious marketing and serious writing, but accept writing projects from marketers who choose to outsource some of the higher end products.

For example, I doubt most of the high converters around here are interested in writing weight loss flogs for other marketers, even at $0.10 a word, but I don't accept those projects and can't seem to find someone who writes at the same level most of my clients already do when they choose to write themselves. Maybe these suggestions will lead me to the right people.

In most client case at this level, it's a time is money thing - not an ability problem. It's probably the same reason Fatbat had his experience. The client can probably do an awesome job, but is looking for someone who can do the same thing he would but without him (or her) having to take time away from more lucrative projects to handle it. Fatbat, I've had a similar experience actually because I couldn't mimic the style the client was seeking - it was too technical and "codish" for the likes of me - hence the need to find other top pros to refer when I know I'll be out of my league or comfort zone. :)

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone - keep them coming. I'm sure a few others are benefiting.
 
I am a professional graphic designer as well. Went to college and graduated. I'm not one of those cookie cutter designers that you see around a lot, especially here and on Digital Point. You can bet that my work will be custom tailored to your needs and business and not copied off some pre-existing template. I am looking for freelance work as well and trying to build a network of professionals with whom I can work with. :)
 
I think we've talked before in PMs. I love hanging out here and BSing, but I really don't see WF as a solid referral source for my business (a lot of reasons for that). But, we regularly take on clients for design services - only a small part of the overall business though.
 
I have a friend who wants to make copywriting a career. I told her to troll some of the more popular forums and marketplaces to get a feel for what's out there...do you have any advice for aspiring copywriters?

Jenn Mattern has an awesome blog for those just starting out in copywriting - All Freelance Writing - Freelance Writing Jobs, Business Advice for Freelance Writers, and Free Online Tools for Writers. If she's just starting out without any background in writing, her first step would be to create a business plan. I know y'all are used to seeing college kids and part-timers around here wanting to earn a few bucks, but content mills, companies and true freelancers are all as organized as the best marketers out there as far as goals, objectives, service plans, websites and offerings.

To be effective in copywriting, you'll need two basics: ability and marketing. Her prices and business plan must incorporate these. The market for copywriting is huge and varied. Don't let her get sucked into the penny a word nonsense unless she's really only worth about a penny a word. The global market is not being driven down by penny writers. That's a large part of the forum-based market, but it shouldn't affect her unless those writers are her competition.

The professional end of the spectrum starts around $0.10 per word for content (articles, blogs and basic site content) and $0.15-$0.20 per word for true copy (sales letters, emails, landing pages, direct marketing, etc...)

Your friend will need to have the ability and professionalism to back up those rates if she plans to work at that level, and she'll have to effectively market to those companies, websites and marketers seeking that level of work. This is not normally though BST sections on forums, but that can be part of the marketing plan. The best writers in the world are broke because they can't effectively market themselves and keep wondering when they'll make it big. Selling herself is most certainly the hardest part, but before she can do that, everything else has to be in place.

Normally writers have a niche or specialty once they reach a certain level of experience - some start in a niche and continue to specialize. Her first speciality might be a field where she's already very knowledgeable. If she's been working in accounting and insurance, as someone else in this thread mentioned, she might specialize in a finance market. If she's been running a small business she might specialize in entrepreneurial or small businesses. If she's in college and does a lot on the social scene - college life and dating.

Other writers specialize in the type of content they write. They might generally write only feature articles and blogs or sales letters. Others branch in all PR type materials including press releases (the real ones - not modified articles or sales copy) and press kits. As a checklist of things to do, I'd advise her to:

1. Learn the basics of the industy - what is affiliate marketing, PPC, landing pages, squeeze pages, etc... Most especially - the difference between content and copy and which she plans to write.

2. Get a good handle on her abilities and determine an idea of her rates. Another way to determine rates is to take an hourly rate she thinks is reasonable and divide it by the amount of time to takes to complete certain projects. Remind her that billable hours only account for about 25 of the 40 a full-time writer would work, the rest is marketing and other administrative tasks.

3. Design a website or blog showcasing her abilities and style. Don't put the cart before the horse. If she wants to be taken seriously as a professional, she'll need to have a professional presence. That includes real samples, preferably a bylined piece of content. (Guest blog, submitted article - meh, featured article submitted to a more distinguished site, etc...) Copy samples are easy - she should use her copywriting to create her own site.

4. Begin networking in the community that suits her niche or interests where she can meet her target market. Focus on building a respectable and professional presence in the community and network with other professionals. Offer value to others and in time, she'll begin to see the "hidden network" come in to effect through PMs and contact through her site.

5. Offer a special. Once the value of her work has been established to the community, she can offer a special to introduce her work to those who might be considering an order, but like to get a deal. Everyone likes a sale when there is perceived value.

Now....off to write that ebook to sell on WaFo.
 
Steven's a good god + designer..
But hey to anyone chiming in offering their services (esp if you're new ot the board).. it'd really help in someone giving you business if you could include a link to a portfolio of some of your previous work.
Thanks
 
I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for professional writing. I know you all my fun of me for my link baits, but if someone could put my skills and time to use, I think it'd be a mutually beneficial relationship.

Also, I'm really, really, flexible as far as writing goes. I've written things like:

-Why You Should Get Breast Enhancements (1st Person Woman Perspective)
-GSpot Vibrator Reviews (First Person As a Woman)
-Top X Professors You Don't Wan To Get This Fall (Third Person, Informal)

I'm a creative writing major at Arizona State University, and I'm loving every minute of it. Except that I pour heart and soul into my work, and don't get paid for it. My classmates breeze by with shit they could care less about.

Josh
 
I know ncmedia does awesome work (I haven't worked with him but his portfolio blows me the fuck away):
Brand Choppers

there are some seriously talented designers here.. some of the best in the online industry