Proof that Obama will bankrupt America

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In 2007 greater than 90% of our electricity was produced by coal.

Here is Obama's plan on coal power plants

Obama Called Out for Comments About Bankrupting Coal Fired Power Plants

"If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted," Barack Obama said to the San Francisco Chronicle in January.

This will in the words of Obama "skyrocket" the cost of electrcity. Why the fuck would he want to "skyrocket" electric cost ever, much less when we are in the economic shape we are in.

No Obamabot can defend this. If you try, than you are as fuckin crazy as this lunatic is.
 


One of the few things I admire about Obama is his drive for green energy. I don't give two shits about "global warming" or "climate change", but I do enjoy clean air and coal burning plants are not known for producing blue skies.

Coal goes, nuclear stays. Hell, maybe this will even speed research on more efficient solar panels.
 
alexb said:
One of the few things I admire about Obama is his drive for green energy. I don't give two shits about "global warming" or "climate change", but I do enjoy clean air and coal burning plants are not known for producing blue skies.

Coal goes, nuclear stays. Hell, maybe this will even speed research on more efficient solar panels.
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While I don't share your admiration for Obama I do believe that powerful, clean energy is right around the corner. However, this should be attained by the free market (and can easily) and not regulated by the government.

One thing is for sure, we're not getting out of the milky way on gas, turbines & windmills.
 
Maybe admire wasn't the right word. I should have phrased that as "one of the few things that I agree with Obama about".
 
erect said:
While I don't share your admiration for Obama I do believe that powerful, clean energy is right around the corner. However, this should be attained by the free market (and can easily) and not regulated by the government.
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Remember the auto industry.
Free market=not working in that industry. Same basic issues with energy generation...firmly entrenched companies who have self interest in not changing.
 
I want clean air and water as well but you can't bankrupct a whole economy to gain it. You must slowly disconnect from our current energy methods while implementing new tech as it comes viable.

Intentionally destroying our main source of electricity without a viable alternative is pure madness.
 
popeye said:
I want clean air and water as well but you can't bankrupct a whole economy to gain it. You must slowly disconnect from our current energy methods while implementing new tech as it comes viable.

Intentionally destroying our main source of electricity without a viable alternative is pure madness.
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Oh popeye, you're such a drama queen. No one is suggesting bankrupting the economy is how to do it.
Though I will point out the auto industry being left to "free trade" essentially did bankrupt the industry. And the state of Michigan.
 
popeye said:
I want clean air and water as well but you can't bankrupct a whole economy to gain it. You must slowly disconnect from our current energy methods while implementing new tech as it comes viable.

Intentionally destroying our main source of electricity without a viable alternative is pure madness.
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It's not like they're going to close down all existing coal power plants. Basically, this is providing incentive for power companies to invest in other methods of power production, such as nuclear.
 
I'm from PA. The "Coal Age" is over. XMCP is from Michigan. He knows the "Automobile Age"is over. The "Internet Age" is just beginning and will drive the economy for the next hundred years or until something new comes on the scene. Only kind of economy mining coal and pumping gas will support is a third world economy.

Just sayin'.
 
I'm from PA. The "Coal Age" is over here. XMCP is from Michigan. He knows the "Automobile Age"is over. The "Internet Age" is just beginning. Only kind of economy mining coal and pumping gas will support is a third world economy. We love ya Popeye but McCains just too damn old to get that. I barely get it, and he's better than twice my age.

Just sayin'
 
xmcp123 said:
Oh popeye, you're such a drama queen. No one is suggesting bankrupting the economy is how to do it.
Though I will point out the auto industry being left to "free trade" essentially did bankrupt the industry. And the state of Michigan.
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Shady, you're not making sense

1. Free market does not mean "give an advantage to domestic companies". If Michigan can't keep up with what consumers want and need then they don't deserve to compete with Japan & Germany.

2. when you have automobile lobbyists funded with millions of dollars writing laws for our country to remain dependent on gas ... that's not the free market either.

This thread is about regulation ... FUCK BIG GOVERNMENT (can I be more clear than that?)
 
xmcp123 said:
Oh popeye, you're such a drama queen. No one is suggesting bankrupting the economy is how to do it.
Though I will point out the auto industry being left to "free trade" essentially did bankrupt the industry. And the state of Michigan.
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I never said that Obama wants to BK the economy. He want's to regulate the coal industry to the point where it would BK the coal plants.

He then stated that this would make electricity cost "skyrocket". These are his words not mine. In this economy we couldn't handle a "skyrocket" in cost.

Quit tryin to spin what I say. You always scream for facts. The facts are laid out right before you eyes. I am quoting what he is saying.

To the guy with the flava flav hat: You shut down your blog and I will quit WF.
 
erect said:
Shady, you're not making sense

1. Free market does not mean "give an advantage to domestic companies". If Michigan can't keep up with what consumers want and need then they don't deserve to compete with Japan & Germany.

2. when you have automobile lobbyists funded with millions of dollars writing laws for our country to remain dependent on gas ... that's not the free market either.

This thread is about regulation ... FUCK BIG GOVERNMENT (can I be more clear than that?)
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I understand that. But the point is that companies are going to try and solidify their existing base rather than try to expand, and it's going to bankrupt them, same as it did the auto companies.
You know why the auto companies are going bankrupt? They were too fucking stupid to realize a 2008 line of SUVs that got 13mpg was not going to work.
The energy companies are the same, but regional monopoly style. We don't have a *choice* for energy companies(at least I sure as shit don't) so they do whatever the hell they want. Factor in their self-interest in having short-term profits, and the whole mother fucker stagnates.

Allan Greenspan actually said that the big mistake in his model was his belief that the companies were smart enough to fix themselves in the idea of long term self preservation. This economic downturn is a result of that stupidity.

Ordinarily I wouldn't be opposed to stupid companies bankrupting themselves(Yahoo comes to mind), but in these circumstances we can't deal with that economically. So I feel they may need to have themselves forced into change. Free market all you want, but I want electricity, and am not willing to sacrifice it so that we can re-test the automotive industry's failed decisions.
 
xmcp123 said:
I understand that. But the point is that companies are going to try and solidify their existing base rather than try to expand, and it's going to bankrupt them, same as it did the auto companies.
You know why the auto companies are going bankrupt? They were too fucking stupid to realize a 2008 line of SUVs that got 13mpg was not going to work.
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Well said, Hummer & SUV sales are way down. This is a more of an example of a bad R&D campaign than anything else. The automakers should know that consumers are looking for fuel economy and because they didn't react to what the market wants, their bottom line is hit.

+1 free market

xmcp123 said:
The energy companies are the same, but regional monopoly style. We don't have a *choice* for energy companies(at least I sure as shit don't) so they do whatever the hell they want. Factor in their self-interest in having short-term profits, and the whole mother fucker stagnates.
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Choices in energy companies would be something we would all have in a unregulated free market. Perhaps we might pay the price short term, but in a few years reliable, clean & cheap energy (from multiple providers) would be knocking on our door.

-1 free market (short term)
+1 free market (long term)

xmcp123 said:
Allan Greenspan actually said that the big mistake in his model was his belief that the companies were smart enough to fix themselves in the idea of long term self preservation. This economic downturn is a result of that stupidity.
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Google is shooting themselves in the foot, or so AMs would have you believe. They are leaving a TON of money on the table by implementing QS and driving CPC prices way up for thin affiliate pages.

Why? To provide a better user experience.

Why would they do that instead of raking in the cash? The idea of longterm self preservation (ala Alan Greenspan's mistake).

Greenspan was not wrong in his ideals, only that short term corporate greed will outrank long term common sense profiting in many (not all) situations. All companies will not fall victim to this, only the ones that don't deserve their marketshare. Others will rise to the surface who provide a "better user experience" than their predicessors.

Another good example of longterm self preservation is BoA & Berkshire Hathaway ... they resisted the "profit now!" model that's currently killing so many banks & investment companies. Each saved their cash and bought out companies for pennies on the dollar. Users of these companies invested for longterm growth and not quick profit, each carved out their niche and are raking in millions as we speak.

+1 free market

xmcp123 said:
Ordinarily I wouldn't be opposed to stupid companies bankrupting themselves(Yahoo comes to mind), but in these circumstances we can't deal with that economically. So I feel they may need to have themselves forced into change. Free market all you want, but I want electricity, and am not willing to sacrifice it so that we can re-test the automotive industry's failed decisions.
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We can and will deal with companies bankrupting themselves when they don't listen to consumers. Bailing them out and regulating driving factors (fuel in this case) is only prolonging the inevidable.

It's not like we'll have to deal without electricity. It's a part of our daily life and if one of the monopolies that power our city fails, another will come to save the day. Guaranteed, free market or not.

By promoting totally unregulated, free market policies we are doing a great thing for our country's future. 0 barriers to market entry means we'll be having solar, wind, neuclear and more energy in our homes in the near future. This is what the consumer wants and someone will step up to the plate and make it happen if the gov't doesn't stand in the way.

Why? Because it's better for the user and a great for long term corporate stability.

There's a boatload of money in providing a good user experience, just ask Google now ... in 2014 ... and in 2034.





And just so you guys don't kid yourself, neither McCain or Obama is for free market as I believe it. Both are for big gov't and coporate greed. So hey, It looks like the law will be on your side either way Shady, just like it is on college kids voting. ... that doesn't make me wrong though
 
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