Public School Teacher To Parent: "You Get An F!"

Hey folk's,

Well, some parent's really need a constructive, positive, helping hand, rather than punitive measure's, which is what this system sounds like. Lot's of struggling single parent's out there, (and couple's) trying to juggle 1,2,3,4 etc.... school age kid's, and maintain a safe, secure home environment. A lot of folk don't need a hand out, but just a hand up. The home environment has a huge impact on our kid's, our future.

Best wishes,

Greg.
 


I like the idea of parents getting the teachers view on things, but the points they have chosen are so trivial and liable to put more stress on the people who need it least. Many of the teachers I encountered in school in those circumstances would almost certainly make it their life's work to fuck up people who have children with sleep disorders or otherwise difficult children because 'its the system'. Systems like that only work well if the people involved are fair and unfortunately I've met a lot of teachers who aren't.

It sounds very much like they're trying to 'blame the parents' again. There was a documentary some time last year in the UK that introduced slightly different methods of teacher/student communication during classes and the effects, even over a short time were incredible. I think more people should listen to the guy who did that, he had some great ideas.
 
adammcd said:
if i want to let my kid only have 4 hours of sleep and feed him cheetos for dinner, thats my business. the invisible hand of the free market will work it all out (when my kid doesnt go to college (and doesnt get a decent job (in the free market)))
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this is where freedoms come into conflict. you're infringing on the right to life of the child by doing this.
 
Yep, that's just what we need to sort out our problems: another law. There, that's better.

Sarcasm aside, while I understand the motivation behind this idea, it is based on the fallacy that you can fix complicated issues by having people who are viewing the problem from ten thousand feet make up more rules.

Sure, we got some work to do on our education system, but having politicians micro-manage from the federal or state capitol ain't going to help.

The best thing we can do is encourage good teacher and enlightened administrators to hang around. Unfortunately, I don't think we are doing a very good job of that these days.
 
I'd be willing to bet that grades would improve dramatically if they tied grades to welfare checks. Welfare checks get cut off for any parents w/ kids that score below a c-.
 
Basically this idea won't change and thing and be a waste of money.

However you have to accept that the limiting factor for most childrens' education is their parents, whether you like it or not some parents just can't properly raise their kids.
 
Ar Scion said:
It's not the parents fault.
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cardine said:
But are you saying then that this is ok? The invisible hand will certainly work it all out, but the innocent kid will not be better off.

I don't agree with this law, and I don't think there should be any laws regulating parenting styles (I'm very strongly libertarian), but what you're saying is its ok to screw over an innocent kid because that's free market capitalism.
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The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
Parents getting graded on a kid's educational career isn't a solution even if you impose strict fines or jail.

The only thing that solves shitty parenting is to have beggars voluntarily hand over their gonads if they accept any kind of government funding. Make that shit plentiful so people line up around a block just for a soup kitchen or food stamps.

It will take a couple generations but this is a long term solution to making the world a better place with very few drawbacks.

* less shitty parents (child to parent ratio will be smaller short term, long term nurture doesn't become a downward spiral)
* less welfare recipients (over generations they'll eradicate their genes from the pool. Short term this is a killer but not much worse than our current dilemma)
* population control (good for almost everything right down to global warming for you bleeding heart fags)

Even if people don't go along with my plan it's still a win. If you can't get a handout because you want to keep reproducing, you're ass will just have to get a job ... and you'd be surprised to see what a little self-responsibility will do to your parenting skills.
 
FTC-Hater said:
i hope you're trolling
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What are you talking about? Most of a child's behavior is peer pressure/influence. If you go to school, you'd realize this, as on the first day the kid with no friends is kind and everything, but as soon as they get a group to hang out with, their entire demeanor changes.

Sometimes it is the parent's fault, but in most cases, school performance and behavior are closely associated with peer influence.
 
seous said:
What are you talking about? Most of a child's behavior is peer pressure/influence. If you go to school, you'd realize this, as on the first day the kid with no friends is kind and everything, but as soon as they get a group to hang out with, their entire demeanor changes.

Sometimes it is the parent's fault, but in most cases, school performance and behavior are closely associated with peer influence.
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Ironically the two kids in this thread are the only two who feel this way.

Of course friends have influence. But your friends didn't put a roof over your head, feed you everyday, talk to you everyday, be in your presence every day, clothe you, nurture you and try and raise you as best they could.

...That was all your parents doing and that's the ultimate influence. Your childhood, before you had "friends", is your foundation for every insecurity, fault or great gift you'll ever develop over your lifetime.

Ultimately your parents or guardian are going to be the ones who shape your personality and that will instil the values that attract you to certain people.

Kids that aren't taught the value of education, were neglected and had a rough growing up will naturally be attracted to similar kids. So when they're off getting drunk before 4th period and bombing the ensuing test it may be directly because of who they've associated with for the past year or two in high school, but indirectly it all traces back to their parents and their values.

EDIT: also do you think no one in this thread has gone to school? I have a combined 17 years of school taken place in two different countries and three different cities. Lots of posters in this thread have had loads more. Everyone knows about peer pressure, but a parents influence (or lack there of) will always trump the brief High School period where peer pressure becomes substantial for some people.
 
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FTC-Hater said:
Ironically the two kids in this thread are the only two who feel this way.

Of course friends have influence. But your friends didn't put a roof over your head, feed you everyday, talk to you everyday, be in your presence every day, clothe you, nurture you and try and raise you as best they could.

...That was all your parents doing and that's the ultimate influence. Your childhood, before you had "friends", is your foundation for every insecurity, fault or great gift you'll ever develop over your lifetime.

Ultimately your parents or guardian are going to be the ones who shape your personality and that will instil the values that attract you to certain people.

Kids that aren't taught the value of education, were neglected and had a rough growing up will naturally be attracted to similar kids. So when they're off getting drunk before 4th period and bombing the ensuing test it may be directly because of who they've associated with for the past year or two in high school, but indirectly it all traces back to their parents and their values.

EDIT: also do you think no one in this thread has gone to school? I have a combined 17 years of school taken place in two different countries and three different cities. Lots of posters in this thread have had loads more. Everyone knows about peer pressure, but a parents influence (or lack there of) will always trump the brief High School period where peer pressure becomes substantial for some people.
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I see what you mean. But then again, some of my friends act all tough, and swear and act mischievous when they're around their friends, but when I go over their house, their parents have them in line, and it's like they're not even the same person. I do see what you mean though. Maybe we should have "parent-grading", but only if we can grade these lawmakers as well.
 
FTC-Hater said:
Ironically the two kids in this thread are the only two who feel this way.

Of course friends have influence. But your friends didn't put a roof over your head, feed you everyday, talk to you everyday, be in your presence every day, clothe you, nurture you and try and raise you as best they could.

...That was all your parents doing and that's the ultimate influence. Your childhood, before you had "friends", is your foundation for every insecurity, fault or great gift you'll ever develop over your lifetime.

Ultimately your parents or guardian are going to be the ones who shape your personality and that will instil the values that attract you to certain people.

Kids that aren't taught the value of education, were neglected and had a rough growing up will naturally be attracted to similar kids. So when they're off getting drunk before 4th period and bombing the ensuing test it may be directly because of who they've associated with for the past year or two in high school, but indirectly it all traces back to their parents and their values.

EDIT: also do you think no one in this thread has gone to school? I have a combined 17 years of school taken place in two different countries and three different cities. Lots of posters in this thread have had loads more. Everyone knows about peer pressure, but a parents influence (or lack there of) will always trump the brief High School period where peer pressure becomes substantial for some people.
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You're both right. New studies show that if you grow up in a rich household, peer pressure, social groups, and genetics trump parenting in terms of influence over a kid. In a poor household, parenting is has the most impact.
 
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