Question for People Writing Content

potentialeight said:
Well that escalated quickly, but thanks for the replies.

I've been playing with this idea of building a resource for content writers to step up their game, specialize, stop sucking ass at being reliable, etc. I'm not interested in the buying/selling marketplace side, but more along the line of showing people how to get into the content slangin game, how to get organized and handle themselves in a professional way.
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Copyblogger dominates at this niche.

They have like 12 podcast shows, resource guides, members sections and their best money maker, they sell hosting and a custom website building solution for newbies called the rainmaker platform.

I really really love what these guys do, especially their podcasts. Very valuable.
 


avatar33 said:
^half an hour for a 1,000 word article on a topic you're unfamiliar with? Hmmm... remind me to never buy from you.

Good luck bro
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I've been buying content from Kye for almost 5 years. Try her out before bashing her. Easily the best content writer I have ever come across.
 
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avatar33 said:
^half an hour for a 1,000 word article on a topic you're unfamiliar with? Hmmm... remind me to never buy from you.

Good luck bro
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Experience, effort taken, resources used, time taken with writing content are indicators of how well written (quality) the resultant article will be.

However, when you start equating time taken to write the article to the quality of the article, its a mistake. As it is not taking real life data into account. Real life data in this case is the actual article written. I only care about the result.

Its like equating high blood pressure with having had a heart attack, or high triglyceride level to having had a stroke. Why not just look at the result, did that person really have heart attack or stroke in past. Real life data. I don’t need to deduce anything from an indicator.

avatar33 said:
I have this lady writing for one of my finance sites who has a PhD in Economics from USF. It takes her 3-5 hours to produce a 1,000 word article
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what if there is another writer that can write a similar article in 2-3 hours. I wouldn’t turn the new writer down because he can write/research faster. I’ll look at his final article. I’ll judge the result, not the indicator.

I’ve been working with Kye for the past 5+ years. I have used a plethora of writers and Kye is the only one I have stuck with to use for consistent quality content.

On a site written entirely by Kye, I was getting around 20% bounce rate. And that site was getting 10k+ traffic per day with all sorts of keywords, relevant and irrelevant.

Right now, I’ve embarked on writing viral content with Kye, which has nothing to do with ‘SEO’ keywords.
 
I'm not targeting kyescontent or anybody on this thread specifically. I'm talking about the type of content you USUALLY get when you shop for your writers on an SEO/IM forum.

Also, I don't know what type of content you guys are ordering, but some types of content require an in-depth knowledge of the field that you can't simply get by googling shit for 20 mins. If I ask any writer on this forum to write a 1k word article on "Why SEO is good for your small business" or "10 Proven Ways to Lose Belly Fat", of course I can expect him/her to produce something fairly quickly without needing much research.

Now, if I ask that same writer to report on the latest Canadian IPPI, CPI, GDP releases with a cross comparison with other OPEC countries and a forecast of where the indexes are heading in the next few months, can I really expect something of decent quality in 30 mins flat? In fact is it even a smart decision to NOT hire an expert in economics for such a topic?
 
I write a lot of content and if I didn't know much about the topic it'd take me an hour. If I was well versed in the topic it'd take 30-45 minutes.
 
It totally depends. Mostly, it costs me money rather than time as I outsource content. When it comes to writing about lindy hop, I write it myself. 1,000 words article - ~1 hour. I don't need to research since I mostly review events I go to.

Last post was over 2K words long and about 10 images or so. With all the "social marketing" (facebook sharing, tagging people on FB, twitter sharing, etc ...) it took me around 5 hours from scratch.

I started a new blog in another niche which I am very familiar with, I will be blogging myself so I will let you know the average but then again, I don't focus on word count, I focus on word quality.

I think as long as you are happy with the content you produced, time is irrelevant.
 
Thanks for the responses guys. It's looking like an average of 800 words/hour for cursory research at a leisurely pace on a topic that doesn't need something super in-depth.

I'm trying to get an idea of what people completely new to the game could get working at the upper end of content mills.
 
Essentially, there are two types of content:

expository content

persuasive content

The later is much harder, much more effective as link-bait, and typically requires skilled writers/journalists to compose.

Anyone can just write about something , similar to to a wikipedia article, but persuading someone to feel something is much harder. People don't share content unless they feel moved by it.
 
Content is not the same as it used to be. It's gotten better but much more difficult to produce quality. Everwhere, I just keep seeing listicles coz thats easily the best way to get a users attention. I cannot wait for the big g to bash that too.
 
For a topic I'm unfamiliar with, it typically takes me 2 hours of research and brainstorming followed by 1.5 hours of writing/proofreading (followed by 2 hours of violent masturbation).
 
Depending on the amount of research needed and complexity of the article, I charge between $0.25-$0.35 per word .I charge in an average range for freelance writers , but I'd be willing to discuss client's budget .
 
mattland said:
Depending on the amount of research needed and complexity of the article, I charge between $0.25-$0.35 per word .I charge in an average range for freelance writers , but I'd be willing to discuss client's budget .
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I'm tired as fuck today so I didn't really read through this thread very well but for me personally what I like to do with content writers and my niche(s). Is to first go out and find a big ass list of what I deem to be high quality articles my competitors have already written and posted on there websites and what I deem would be an asset to my website.

From there I save those articles but instead of stealing them outright and getting hit by duplicate content filters and so on. I give them to the writer and say I need this article completely re-written, here is all the information you'll need but I need every word re-written in your own writing. I then tell them to just read the article and basically put it away and write about it.

From there once I get the first draft back I read it carefully and quadrupedal check it to make sure it comes out as an original piece and not a cut and hack type of job. If it looks good and passes my own copyright check the writer gets a thumbs up from me, sometimes we may need to change a few things up.

What I've found by doing this is it turns out better content, the writer sounds more like there a professional in a particular industry there not familiar with and I get to keep up with my hopefully well crafted content strategy. Basically just a technique to try and keep quality content at a high.

Although I'll admit it's not 100% fool-proof sometimes I do get writers who just completely fuck up, even when I use plain terms like "DO NOT DO THIS" but I mean hey it's business some days are good, some days give you a headache, some days you make money, some days you loose money. It's just how shit goes.
 
For me, I would usually take about an hour to produce a thousand words on any topic that I'm not 100% familiar with. However, I would spend probably another hour fine tuning it, but I'm a bit of a perfectionist.
 
I do consider myself to be a pretty fast writer, and can type really fast. This does also help me when I am writing. I have some clients that appreciate the fact that I do spend extra time researching when I need to, as the content really does show it.
 
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