This is a great thread. Thanks for writing this all down, it's given me some inspiration to try a few new things.
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It depends for me. Some sites I keep niche.com and it's satellite sites separate. The only thing tying them together is links, whether it be partner links, related links, or other means (hidden 50x100 transparent images anyone?).
Other times, the network is known since each satellite site serves its own purpose.
Do I plan on promoting my other niches to existing users? No. Those users will have already bought said niche product. If they return to the site and find the new ones, fine. But I'm not worried about that user, I'm worried about driving new traffic and new eyes to the network (natural SERPS). None of my sites focus on keeping the user around. I focus on getting them there, submit content, and leave. In other words, I never do a forum type of site which attracts the same eyes and detracts from my goals of more sales.
Part of the reason I started this thread on WF is because I see a trend of ARBI-only discussion here. Sometimes it is good to show newbies the other ways of doing things.
Arbi is good, but I see it as short term with little autopilot due to all the testing, retesting, changing keywords, changing bids, etc. Especially now that adsense is cracking down on high earning MFA sites. I never was a PPC guy. I dabbled in it but never started throwing thousands into the hands of google in attempt to get thousands or tens of thousands in return.
I'd rather take the thousands and invest in the long term goal of financial independence with sites that will always make cash, whether I am gone for a month on a 30 day cruise or if I am home slamming out new satellite sites (and hiring new niche.com sites to be made).
To each, his own. This is MY method, you can try it, or do something else. That's the magic of AM! You can do whatever the fuck you want, using methods you love.
I'm glad the users of WF liked the post. To me, its all basic knowledge but apparently, to others, its new (or eye opening).
Arbi is good, but I see it as short term with little autopilot due to all the testing, retesting, changing keywords, changing bids, etc. Especially now that adsense is cracking down on high earning MFA sites. I never was a PPC guy. I dabbled in it but never started throwing thousands into the hands of google in attempt to get thousands or tens of thousands in return.
I'd rather take the thousands and invest in the long term goal of financial independence with sites that will always make cash, whether I am gone for a month on a 30 day cruise or if I am home slamming out new satellite sites (and hiring new niche.com sites to be made).
To each, his own. This is MY method, you can try it, or do something else. That's the magic of AM! You can do whatever the fuck you want, using methods you love.
I'm glad the users of WF liked the post. To me, its all basic knowledge but apparently, to others, its new (or eye opening).
Affiliate Marketing isn't easy, but it's simple and can be attacked from a ton of different angles. Everything you posted was basic knowledge, but our minds are clouded with so much information that a post like this can really spark our creativity and give us some confidence once we realize that things aren't as complicated as they seem.
Thanks for taking the time to put this up.
So we aren't talking a couple hundred bucks in content writing, but maybe over $1000 spent on hiring content writes? Also, with the databases, wouldn't that not qualify as unique content? All you are doing is a glorified version of Mad Libs so the search engine will flag this down and probably not rank it as well as unique content, correct?
Nice post - I'm in the process of having a few sites built at the same time as well, but my problem is that I am having a hard time keeping my programmers working on my projects!
Quick question - could you give an example of what you are asking for on rentacoder, etc? (Obviously w/ all references to your niche and unique idea taken out). Are you giving general guidelines or are you getting down to the individual pixle on each page- hand holding them through the process (which I have been doing). I'm not a programmer either, but I even had to hand code in my adsense target/ignore code for them!
Also, how much are you looking to spend on these sites (if you don't mind...) - $x,xxx, or $xx, xxx +? I got a steal on one site, I dont' think they realized the scope of my project and I got them to sign a low $x,xxx contract (no tricks on my end, everything spelled out)- but I am curious as to the average cost for a good content site that isn't as gigantic as a MySpace, etc...
Good luck with things!
Quick question - could you give an example of what you are asking for on rentacoder, etc? (Obviously w/ all references to your niche and unique idea taken out). Are you giving general guidelines or are you getting down to the individual pixle on each page- hand holding them through the process (which I have been doing). I'm not a programmer either, but I even had to hand code in my adsense target/ignore code for them!
Also, how much are you looking to spend on these sites (if you don't mind...) - $x,xxx, or $xx, xxx +? I got a steal on one site, I dont' think they realized the scope of my project and I got them to sign a low $x,xxx contract (no tricks on my end, everything spelled out)- but I am curious as to the average cost for a good content site that isn't as gigantic as a MySpace, etc...
Good luck with things!
You can easily spend thousands in content writing. However, it isn't required. You can make your own content too.
Databases can be used for whitehat or blackhat SEO. It depends on your usage of the databases. If you used the database as a supplement to your site instead of the full content, you will be fine. If your really smart, you could take the DBs and change the content and make it your own.
Sure, you want the keys to my house too? Seriously though, I get as detailed as possible. Often spending over 40 hours writing my projects up, going into specific details. I usually do private listings and invite the programmers I see fit to bid. Therefore, my listings aren't public which allows me to go into details without worrying about someone stealing the idea.
I never go into a project with a fixed budget. I drive the bids to my project using the invite system. After they bid, I contact them and proceed to talk them down in price starting at 30% below their bid. They bitch and moan, I bitch and moan back, you know, typical bartering, and usually get them to agree to a price about 15% below their asking. It's all about leverage.Reefer said:
I have read this thread and a lot of the strategies your have listed are misguided and ineffectual in their present context. I don't think your knowledge of google and SEO is completely up to par.
First off, Google doesn't care about original content. That is a myth perpetuated by savvy, high earnings white hat webmasters so that they can hog all the rankings to themselves while everyone else struggles to rank with so called 'original content'.
Google does care about links and domain age. I have a spam-ish site I made a year ago that ranks well in google and gets thousands of uniques a day. No unique content but tons of hits. I haven't spent much money to promote the site yet it generates plenty of automated revenue for myself. No outsourcing either.
Spending lots of money on content writers and an advanced CMS when you launch a site is generally a bad idea. I see a lot of people doing this and it is a waste of resources. Neither is adding 100's-1000's of pages at once to a new site. Google flags this as spam and will suppress the sites rankings. There is no need to spend more than $100 to launch a successful high traffic site.
I am also opposed to directories because they don't give you much pagerank (if any) and they aren't contextually relevant to your site. You are better off with solid trusted links instead of directory links. There is also evidence that google discounts directory links after their recent explosion in popularity in the past 2 or so years.
Also, please don't double-triple-or even quadruple post. It is considered to be poor forum edicate. One possible reason why people aren't replying as often as you would like is because the premise of creating content websites has already been exhausted here as well as other webmaster forums. There is nothing really original here.
I'm dying to see proof of this, because like at least half of the people here, it would make my life a whole lot easier. Links, please?
While we're on editing our posts, the word I believe you want here is 'etiquette.' Perhaps even 'netiquette.'
NBD, JSYK.
First, I would like to state, this was not a "how to game google" thread. Therefore, it's topic isn't posted with full SEO in mind. That would have made the post twice as long.
Second, oohh one site does well? yay! Actually your idea is way off. The reason why your site that gets all that traffic is because of all the links you built to the site. Google takes the highest authority site as the original content poster, therefore, this is why you aren't having problems.
If you studied SEO a bit, people were actually successful in putting Matt Cutt's (Google Employee) blog posts in the supplemental results due to duplicate content filters. They put his content on their higher authority sites and his blog got the raw end.
Duplicate content filters are real. Don't be an ass and fill people's minds with wrong information.
Wow, where did I say put all your content up immediately? Mind quoting that from my text please?
Again, this is not an SEO post. This is a basic strategy. I wouldn't put 10,000 pages up at once moron. Usually, content writers send you content in packages of 10 or so.
You are fucking clueless.
Also, please quote me from my text above where I said that directory submissions is my only link building strategy? It was merely one suggestion.
Fuck off. I did exactly what the forum owner did in his Lightening Round. You'll get to know Jon, I have a feeling he will ban your ass soon.
I think it is way easier to read my answers to people on a 1-to-1 ratio. I didn't want to answer them all in one post, hard to follow and harder to quote/reply.
Edit, btw, your entire post does nothing to help people, unlike what I have done for others here. You criticize yet offer nothing new. You strike down my ideas, yet offer nothing to replace it. Therefore, since you shit on my thread, I took a giant dump on your reputation. Enjoy.
I thought it was a great post, ScottDaMan. I've been developing Information sites for a while now and love it. I just printed your post and plan on re-reading it a few times to fully understand.
Thanks for writing this post. I really enjoyed it.
Thanks for writing this post. I really enjoyed it.
Thanks everyone for the awesome comments and reps. Always a good feeling to have helped someone out there by almost giving away the farm 
this is the way to go, I'm going long term on all my new sites as well.
And by long term I might not make $2k per year on some of my new sites for 2-3 years but once things kick in they could easily clear $10-$20k each without much work (based on how my current "old" sites do..). One new site for example has great original content, links from about 5 of the top 10 ranked sites for "keyword" but still is waiting to be allowed into the game to rank in the top 100 for "keyword". Once it makes it in, the $ will flow...
The good news is that once you make a trusted site, they tend to be pretty stable (knock on wood).
And by long term I might not make $2k per year on some of my new sites for 2-3 years but once things kick in they could easily clear $10-$20k each without much work (based on how my current "old" sites do..). One new site for example has great original content, links from about 5 of the top 10 ranked sites for "keyword" but still is waiting to be allowed into the game to rank in the top 100 for "keyword". Once it makes it in, the $ will flow...
The good news is that once you make a trusted site, they tend to be pretty stable (knock on wood).
I thought I was the only one who printed out really useful stuff and didn't depend on only bookmarks.
This post is awesome. I'm pulling the replies out as well so I can learn more from this post then just the initial one.
Thanks Scott
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