Senator Rand Paul detained by the TSA



headiez247 said:
You do realize that if the current TSA regulations were in effect in 2001, 911 couldn't of happened right?
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Ok... now you're just trolling.

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headiez247 said:
You do realize that if the current TSA regulations were in effect in 2001, 911 couldn't of happened right?
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Wrong.

Gertex said:
My guess is the locked reenforced Cockpit door is actually the simplest solution that came out of all of that.
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Correct. Very few security measures introduced in recent memory are actually effective. Positive bag matching (after Lockerbie), and locked doors (after 9/11) are two. Air Marshals are another possibility (although debatable).

The TSA are just security theater:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater
Bruce Schneier Interview - Security Theater and the TSA - Popular Mechanics

If their approach was effective, Israel would use them. They don't. Israel use locked cockpit doors, and a very detailed questioning technique, and haven't had a security incident in 30 years.
 
headiez247 said:
I'll be the first to admit I'm not a 9/11 expert but didn't the hijackers use knives which were, at the time, allowed to be brought on the plane?

Without those knives which are now not allowed I assume their plan would of been much harder to pull off.
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True... apart from the fact a TSA search is hopeless for stopping you getting weapons on board.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/shortorder/2011/12/the_tsa_cupcakes_are_lethal_-.php
http://www.wcvarones.com/2011/12/note-you-can-smuggle-knives-onto-plane.html
http://banstronghands.com/2011/09/22/tsa-allows-guns-and-knives-on-planes-most-of-the-time/
http://theswash.com/liberty/tsa-fail-man-carried-knife-on-plane-made-violent-threats
 
Reversal Magnet said:
Gotta give TSA some credit though...

Since they started not one single old lady, old man, little boy, or little girl has blown up a train, bus, or airplane...
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Considering no American blew up a bus, train or airplane before they started feeling up US Citizens, I'd say your comment has no merit.
 
Netphase said:
TSA workers miss stuff all the time. Search for news of passengers accidentally carrying knives, box cutters, or guns through security. Search for news about the results of government tests where the TSA fails to find fake bombs and other weapons about 50-75% of the time.

Will Security Measure Up This Holiday Season? - YouTube
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Adam Savage accidently snuck two 12 inch long razor blades onto the plane. 100% by accident. Didn't even have to try.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yaqq9Jjb4"]#w00tstock Seattle: Adam Savage says "WTF, TSA?" - YouTube[/ame]

Also I feel that this quote is relevant. Rand Paul's thoughts on the TSA.

You’re missing the boat on terrorism because you’re doing these invasive searches on six-year old girls. Same week that this happened I got a call from another neighbor of mine in Bowling Green, a little boy had a broken foot and crutches. They didn’t want to go through all the screenings, so they took the crutches off and the cast and he wanted to hobble through on his broken foot. His dad was helping him. TSA said “back away, back away.” Then he had to go through the special search because he previously had a cast on, even though the cast went through the belt. When the dad comes close they say “back away, back away.” “If you don’t back away you won’t fly.” This kind of gets back to this whole idea of what are willing to do, what are we willing to give up as a country. In your interview with ABC News, you said “I see flying as a privilege.” There are those of us who see otherwise. The Supreme Court concluded in Saenz vs. Roe in 1999 says that although the word travel is not found in the text in the constitution, yet the constitutional right to travel from one state to another is firmly embedded in our jurisprudence. Justice Stewart went on to say in Shapiro vs. Thompson that the right to travel is so important that it is assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. A virtually unconditional constitutional right guaranteed by the Constitution to us all. This isn’t to say we don’t believe in safety procedures. But I think I feel less safe when you’re doing these invasive exams on a six-year old.

It makes me think you’re clueless, if you think she’s going to attack our country and you’re not doing your research on the people who want to attack our country. It absolutely must involve a risk assessment of those who are traveling. And the fact that she’s being patted down and I don’t feel comfortable really with your response that we are no longer doing random pat-downs. I think you ought to get rid of the random pat-downs. The American public is unhappy with them, they’re unhappy with the invasiveness of them. The Internet is full of jokes about the invasiveness of the pat-down searches and we ought to just consider, is this what we’re willing to do. The other thing is while we’re doing that there are examples of where we’ve had let-downs. When Faisal Shahzad got on the plane, the alleged Times Square bomber, he was on a watch list. Everybody said, “it was the airline that let us down.” Well he had to go through TSA screening. There were 10 hours, we ought to be able to react. Is the TSA looking at flight manifests? Doing background research of people getting on and off the planes? Are we targeting or looking at those who might attack us?
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» Sen. Paul Calls TSA Official ‘Clueless’ - Big Government
 
headiez247 said:
You do realize that if the current TSA regulations were in effect in 2001, 911 couldn't of happened right?
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*have

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headiez247 said:
I'll be the first to admit I'm not a 9/11 expert but didn't the hijackers use knives which were, at the time, allowed to be brought on the plane?

Without those knives which are now not allowed I assume their plan would of been much harder to pull off.
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I've dropped turds bigger than a box cutter.
 
related :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSK-frpvZhg]Jesse Ventura on Dismissed TSA Lawsuit - America Better Wake Up (9-Nov-11)(INSIDE THE USA series) - YouTube[/ame]
 
headiez247 said:
good catch.

internal turds are allowed on planes, box cutters are not, so who cares? The used to be allowed on planes, then 3,000 people died, now they aren't. If they were banned from the get go....
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If they were banned from the get go then they would've used something different to hijack the plane; or came up with a different way to attack us.
 
Vhaeos said:
If they were banned from the get go then they would've used something different to hijack the plane; or came up with a different way to attack us.
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Then why don't they continue to hijack planes?

I'm seriously not trolling I'm just curious where these thought processes come from.

Multiple planes were hijacked on the same day all with the same method. Since that event, no US planes have been hijacked (let alone multiple in one day). It's said the total cost to pull it off was under half a mil.

If I use your rational then why aren't people continuing to do it via other methods? Especially after we killed Osama? As you said, they would just find another way, but why haven't they?
 
zimok said:
Why would he refuse the pat down? He's dealing with the lowest level of TSA, who are just trying to do their job and go home.
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Really, zimok? you seriously think this? Or are you just trying to get a rise?
Although, to be fair, you're not alone, I'm so very sorry to say.

This so-called republic is in a sorry-ass state of affairs with wannabe
jack-booted thugs who barely have high school educations feeling us
up like the bunch of perverts they are; all in the name of keeping us
"safe", while most don't see what the problem is.

It's appalling so many think the TSA pat downs are OK or worse, doing
anything to keep you safe. Dream on like the unsuspecting citizens of
the Wiemar Republic so long ago. It's Gleichschaltung all over again.

It's about programming the sheeple not to make a peep about anything.
And so far so good. Everything is going according to plan. Shhhhh. Go back
to sleep. It's all going to be just fine.
 
headiez247 said:
Then why don't they continue to hijack planes?

I'm seriously not trolling I'm just curious where these thought processes come from.

Multiple planes were hijacked on the same day all with the same method. Since that event, no US planes have been hijacked (let alone multiple in one day). It's said the total cost to pull it off was under half a mil.

If I use your rational then why aren't people continuing to do it via other methods? Especially after we killed Osama? As you said, they would just find another way, but why haven't they?
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Because before 9/11, there was pretty much a plane blown up every week..
 
Some of these TSA agents are complete retards, not sure what training they actually go thru, but these agents are fucking young, stupid, and act bossy.
 
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