Should the minimum wage be raised?



12 bucks an hour? you're an idiot. How about no such thing as minimum wage.

It's called capitalism.

Merica.

I mean jeez, why don't we try governmental health care while we're at it....Oh wait...
 
12 bucks an hour? you're an idiot. How about no such thing as minimum wage.

It's called capitalism.

Merica.

I mean jeez, why don't we try governmental health care while we're at it....Oh wait...

problem is, if you have no minimum wage.. instead of 20 million mexicans in america youll have 40 million.. cause regular lazy american wont wanna work for 3 dollars an hour. while a mexican migrant will be happy to work for 3 bucks an hour since it will still be better then what he made in mexico. income equality would go thru the roof.
 
problem is, if you have no minimum wage.. instead of 20 million mexicans in america youll have 40 million.. cause regular lazy american wont wanna work for 3 dollars an hour. while a mexican migrant will be happy to work for 3 bucks an hour since it will still be better then what he made in mexico. income equality would go thru the roof.

So ... what's the issue? I'm a producer, not a leech. I'll gladly pay 3 to whoever wants to work for 3. I dont give a fuck if he's a miniature orange man with white gloves and a white suit on.
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lazy americans wouldn't work for 20 an hour if they got stamps and healthcare already.

anyway...what was that income equality thing you were talking about? you are talking about america...right?
 
Hell no. Ive worked minimum wage jobs before too and I'm still against it, ESPECIALLY at the federal level. One thing working one of those jobs showed me is that I never want to go back to having one of them.
 
problem is, if you have no minimum wage.. instead of 20 million mexicans in america youll have 40 million.. cause regular lazy american wont wanna work for 3 dollars an hour. while a mexican migrant will be happy to work for 3 bucks an hour since it will still be better then what he made in mexico. income equality would go thru the roof.
Illegal immigrants already get paid under the table at rates below min. wage.
 
Tony it would probably be in your interest to study a little about economics.

The minimum wage is a price floor and creates unemployment.

Also, the payer of wages ultimately is the wage earner. Wages are a component of the cost of goods sold.
 
The first thing that happens, for example, when a law is passed that no one shall be paid less than $290 for a forty-hour week is that no one who is not worth $290 a week to an employer will be employed at all. You cannot make a man worth a given amount by making it illegal for anyone to offer him anything less. You merely deprive him of the right to earn the amount that his abilities and situation would permit him to earn, while you deprive the community even of the moderate services that he is capable of rendering. In brief, for a low wage you substitute unemployment. You do harm all around, with no comparable compensation.

The only exception to this occurs when a group of workers is receiving a wage actually below its market worth. This is likely to happen only in rare and special circumstances or localities where competitive forces do not operate freely or adequately; but nearly all these special cases could be remedied just as effectively, more flexibly and with far less potential harm, by unionization.

It may be thought that if the law forces the payment of a higher wage in a given industry, that industry can then charge higher prices for its product, so that the burden of paying the higher wage is merely shifted to consumers. Such shifts, however, are not easily made, nor are the consequences of artificial wage-raising so easily escaped. A higher price for the product may not be possible: it may merely drive consumers to the equivalent imported products or to some substitute. Or, if consumers continue to buy the product of the industry in which wages have been raised, the higher price will cause them to buy less of it. While some workers in the industry may be benefited from the higher wage, therefore, others will be thrown out of employment altogether. On the other hand, if the price of the product is not raised, marginal producers in the industry will be driven out of business; so that reduced production and consequent unemployment will merely be brought about in another way.

When such consequences are pointed out, there are those who reply: “Very well; if it is true that the X industry cannot exist except by paying starvation wages, then it will be just as well if the minimum wage puts it out of existence altogether.” But this brave pronouncement overlooks the realities. It overlooks, first of all, that consumers will suffer the loss of that product. It forgets, in the second place, that it is merely condemning the people who worked in that industry to unemployment. And it ignores, finally, that bad as were the wages paid in the X industry, they were the best among all the alternatives that seemed open to the workers in that industry; otherwise the workers would have gone into another. If, therefore, the X industry is driven out of existence by a minimum wage law, then the workers previously employed in that industry will be forced to turn to alternative courses that seemed less attractive to them in the first place. Their competition for jobs will drive down the pay offered even in these alternative occupations. There is no escape from the conclusion that the minimum wage will increase unemployment.

A nice problem, moreover, will be raised by the relief program designed to take care of the unemployment caused by the minimum wage law. By a minimum wage of, say, $7.25 an hour, we have forbidden anyone to work forty hours in a week for less than $290. Suppose, now, we offer only $150 a week on relief. This means that we have forbidden a man to be usefully employed at, say, $250 a week, in order that we may support him at $150 a week in idleness. We have deprived society of the value of his services. We have deprived the man of the independence and self-respect that come from self-support, even at a low level, and from performing wanted work, at the same time as we have lowered what the man could have received by his own efforts.

These consequences follow as long as the weekly relief payment is a penny less than $480. Yet the higher we make the relief payment, the worse we make the situation in other respects. If we offer $290 for relief, then we offer many men just as much for not working as for working. Moreover, whatever the sum we offer for relief, we create a situation in which everyone is working only for the difference between his wages and the amount of the relief. If the relief is $290 a week, for example, workers offered a wage of $7.52 an hour, or $300 a week, are in fact, as they see it, being asked to work for only $10 a week—for they can get the rest without doing anything.

It may be thought that we can escape these consequences by offering “work relief” instead of “home relief “; but we merely change the nature of the consequences. Work relief means that we are paying the beneficiaries more than the open market would pay them for their efforts. Only part of their relief-wage is for their efforts, therefore, while the rest is a disguised dole.

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I'm not going to read a wall of text just to be insulted by a fucking racist. Why don't you come out and say your white supremacists agenda in just a few lines already?

“It would be comforting to believe that the government can simply decree higher pay for low-wage workers, without having to worry about unfortunate repercussions, but the preponderance of evidence indicates that labor is not exempt from the basic economic principle that artificially high prices cause surpluses. In the case of the surplus of human beings, that can be a special tragedy when they are already from low-income, unskilled or minority backgrounds and urgently need to get on the job ladder, if they are ever to move up the ladder by acquiring experience and skills.”

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Personally i think it would be great to raise it to say 12 bucks an hour. But how can a local mom and shop business be able to pay that much money and stay in business? 5 bucks an hour adds up esp if you have multiple workers.

114 post to prove you are an idiot. :banana_sml: