Silly Protesters...

prachka said:
I don't see what to argue about.

- Let protesters protest, they have a full right to exercise free speech
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Agreed. Though for their sakes they could least do a lil research, shame protestors show the "best" of us.

prachka said:
- Mosque should not be prohibited, because it's on a private land and owner can do whatever he wants as long as it does not break the law. I don't see what law will be broken if he builds a mosque
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Also agreed, but I do kind of wish they would have talked with the governor, the little game of diplomacy does tend to go a long way even if they never move.

prachka said:
- US soldiers should get the fuck out of Iraq and Afganistan and never attack an Iran.
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I'd like em back on the homefront as well, or some place more constructive to our own nation.

prachka said:
How attacking Iraq is different from let's say attacking Canada or Russia? There are plenty of muslims in those countries too.
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Iraq, not quite the sizable landmass, population nor military power that we'd face with attacking such large land bodies such as Canada or Russia. But the majority of those two large land masses are not muslim, but would retaliate just the same. (I do get your point, but kind of a poor analogy). (PS: Are there any countries that participated in the incursion against Afghanistan or iraq now currently drilling for oil there?)
 


kblessinggr said:
Kinda weak though isn't it to blame a religion on a groups' actions? Kind of brings credibility to "The devil made me" if you believe that. That's not respect, thats bigotry.
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How is it weak when the group are ISLAMIC terrorists killing innocent people in the name of ISLAM? This isn't even about the cancer that Islam is, it's simply about 9/11 and respect.

To make atheists feel better, if it were a Christian attack on 9/11 it would sure as hell be disrespectful to build a church on top of it's ruins.

Building a mosque next to ground zero is a gigantic "Fuck You" when it could be built ANYWHERE else. Terrorists will see it as one massive trophy and one further step in their conquest...bring part of America to dust and then build a mosque on top of it. If that doesn't motivate them to continue their jihad I don't know what will.
 
Pointless discussion.

Fact. The differences between the west and the muslim world are irreconcilable. The sooner we finally accept that, the better for everybody. Lots of pain and suffering will be avoided.

So no mosque in ground zero or anywhere in western soil for that matter. War is not a solution but lets keep apart shall we? WTF are you doing in a country whose values, people, religion among other things you hate. Want to live in the west? Fine become a westerner and integrate in the society you want to be part of.

And lets be clear, I am not a racist or have anything against muslims, I just honestly and truly believe that this is a case where better collaboration, business and even understanding can be achieved if each side mind their own fucking business and stay away from each other.

Of course its pretty much impossible because for that to happen, the west would need to get the fuck out of the middle east too.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
To make atheists feel better, if it were a Christian attack on 9/11 it would sure as hell be disrespectful to build a church on top of it's ruins.
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Then why haven't we denounced every church for KKK's action as 'good christians' purifying america? Like I said, its weak and ignorant to only go as far as "well they did it in Islam's name, lets attack every muslim the same"
 
kblessinggr said:
Then why haven't we denounced every church for KKK's action as 'good christians' purifying america? Like I said, its weak and ignorant to only go as far as "well they did it in Islam's name, lets attack every muslim the same"
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Are you really comparing the threat of Islamic terror to the KKK?
 
Atheist here. I'm against militant religions and I think Islam is thee most militant right now. I think we should work at stopping it from spreading as much as possible.

Unlike the bible, words of war and domination are throughout the entire Koran. And this thing was written by a single author who is to blame for every word in it. It speaks of converting the world by THE SWORD, and it does not mince words. Yes, Mohammad speaks of peace very occasionally, but when he does he means the peace obtained after the world is entirely Islam.

Mohammad himself was a brutal warlord who took over huge regions by force. Compare that to Jesus.

A good christian is a peaceful person who lends the other cheek when smacked (Ya there are no good Christians really). A good Muslim however is one who is conquering the infidel and spreading Islam by force if necessary - peace can come afterward.

Stop giving assistance, in the name of political correctness, to those who'd slit your fucking throat. Sure, not every muslim is thirsting for American blood. But there is institutionalized hatred in many Muslim countries for Americans and Christians. And every good Muslim's goal is to remove all other religions and ideologies from the face of the earth by force if necessary.

And the burqa says it all. Religion is no excuse to systematically humiliate and brutalize your women.

It's on Netflix bitches:
Islam: What the West Needs to Know (2006)
 
Some on you might be right, even if this is just a big troll by Muslim extremists there is nothing we can do short of putting another dent in liberty.

If anything this is a message to the world that America, at its core, is about freedom no matter who you are, where you come from, or what religion you practice.
 
Andrew Scherer said:
If anything this is a message to the world that America, at its core, is about freedom no matter who you are, where you come from, or what religion you practice.
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Unless of course they manage to downgrade you to a 'cult' (which would be hard as hell to do to islam), or if you belong to one of many pagan religious groups, other than Wiccan (Wiccans had a lot of rich endorsers from the 60s onward), are not officially recognized as a religious group when it comes to discrimination cases.
 
WickedJoe said:
And every good Muslim's goal is to remove all other religions and ideologies from the face of the earth by force if necessary.
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This is bullshit. Muslims have lived in peace side-by-side other religions for a long time. A big example is India pre British partition of Pakistan/India. AFAIK, the Hindu-Muslim unity movement is still around in small towns with the old timers.

Furthermore, you talk about Mohammed's military expansion of the 600's as if he was the only bus in town doing it during those times. Give me a fucking break, I mean really.

SUP3RNOVA said:
if it were a Christian attack on 9/11 it would sure as hell be disrespectful to build a church on top of it's ruins.
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On top of the ruins huh. Could you be a bit more dramatic
 
johnysc430 said:
Ask soldiers in Iraq how understanding and diplomatic the rest of the muslim world is.

Islamic extremist account for a small population, but there is a large percentage who hold their radical views. I don't mean a few nuts who blow themselves up. There are hundreds of millions that detest the western way of life.

I could care less about the mosque, everyone in NY is oblivious anyway. If this didn't get media attention people wouldn't even know wtf was going on until it was up.
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While this is true, it's pretty much the same way on the other side. I mean we have plenty of good soldiers that aren't out to kill just to kill, but every group has a small percentage of people that screws it up for the overall group.

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I'm sure things like this don't help the GOOD soldiers out there who are actually trying to protect the people, and not just out to have a fun time shooting people. It can go both ways if you see what the citizens see out there too.
 
Andrew Scherer said:
This is bullshit. Muslims have lived in peace side-by-side other religions for a long time. A big example is India pre British partition of Pakistan/India. AFAIK, the Hindu-Muslim unity movement is still around in small towns with the old timers.

Furthermore, you talk about Mohammed's military expansion of the 600's as if he was the only bus in town doing it during those times. Give me a fucking break, I mean really.
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In General Muslims live in peace with others if they are not the dominant military power in the region. Also, just because it's in their doctrine to dominate and destroy the unbeliever doesn't mean that a Islamic society will always choose to do so.

And I really don't see your point. So you're saying that it was ok for Mohammed to be a Warlord because everyone was doing it in the 600's? What a joke. My point was simply that this religion is coming from the mouth of a violent warlord.. nothing like the peaceful poetry that came from Jesus. My point was that violence is a part of Islam from start to finish.

Mohammed himself is said to have beheaded 600-800 people with his own hands. This is celebrated in Islam.

Islam: What the West Needs to Know (2006)

Watch the documentary. It's on netflix streaming.
 
Should we really be forced to respect ALL religions? I mean, Mohammed was a pedophile by his own admission. According to the Qu'ran he married and repeatedly fucked a 6 year old girl - explain to me why I should respect that, or respect any followers of that religion?

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I'm not a Christian, but at least Jesus wasn't banging 6 year-olds. You fuckers are sick for respecting that religion.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Should we really be forced to respect ALL religions? I mean, Mohammed was a pedophile by his own admission. According to the Qu'ran he married and repeatedly fucked a 6 year old girl - explain to me why I should respect that, or respect any followers of that religion?

mohammed.jpg


I'm not a Christian, but at least Jesus wasn't banging 6 year-olds. You fuckers are sick for respecting that religion.
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Dont let habeeb find your home address, he would kill for just that pic..
 
Muhammed - The Pedophile

WTF.. I did not know MO was a Pedo.. sick muthafucker.

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand. Abu Bakr thought it was
improper, because, as he said "I am your brother"; Muhammad brushed aside Abu Bakr's reservation by
saying that it was perfectly lawful for him to marry Aisha [ Ref: SAHIH BUKHAR I7:18].

[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Aisha became Muhammad's favourite wife. And the sexuality in the relationship was predominant [
SAHIH BUKHARI .1.270, 3:36, 7:6, 3:148, 3:149, 3:150, 7:142, IbnSa'd 1pg165 ].[/FONT]
 
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